The significance of Part IX is that it proves Winston right in his assumptions throughout the book. Chapter 3 proves that Julia is correct in no war actually being fought. While they are fighting, the sides are gaining almost no new territory. It also proves that the enemies of Oceania constantly change, which is what Winston has noted. Chapter 1 proves Winston's statement about the proles being important for a revolution. The chapter says that the lower class fuel a rebellion.
It was obvious that Winston and Julia wee going to get caught. Winston and Julia's meeting with O'Brien foreshadows this. O'Brien mentions that they can alter your face and appearance. Mr. Charrington's uniqueness in the novel also set him apart in a suspicious way. For a prole, he seemed to know a lot.
Winston and Julia are probably taken to the Ministry of Love and will be tortured. They will likely ruin any chance of a rebellion and snitch out O'Brien. All of the rebellions members will also likely be captured, and the book will end on the note of Winston and Julia being publicly executed after every other rebel.
In Part nine Winston gets a book from O'brien which talks about political theories and how the changing of history is needed and done by the party in order to have control over the people. Orwell probably put all this information in, in order to talk about the political structure of Oceania, but he probably also put it in to make the readers believe that Winston might succeed in his rebellion. It would make sense for Orwell to do that because the reader is caught more off guard by Winston's capturing in the next chapter. This chapter is also significant because you see the difference between Julia and Winston. When Winston tries reading the book to Julia, she falls asleep. To Winston, this book is exciting and gives him more of a reason to rebel, but to Julia it means nothing. Winston wants to completely overturn the party in the future, while Julia only wants to rebel against the party in the present, and enjoy her life, she doesn't care about the bigger things.
When reading this I had expected either two things to happen. I expected Julia to turn out to be a thought police, or Winston would be able to overturn the Party. This made it surprising when I found that Mr. Charrington was actually the one who turned out to be the thought police. However, Winston did end up getting caught and I assumed that he would be beat up by the thought police, which he was.
Winston will most likely continue to constantly be beat up by the party or he will be killed. The party might kill him now that they know that he has thoughts of a revolution, or they might brainwash him so that he doesn't remember any bad things about the party. He'll go back to how he used to be when he first started living in the party, scared, oblivious, and under the party's control.
Question 1: Two very important things happen in Part IX. The first thing is the changing of the allies. The people's reaction to this shows how blind they are. The automatically trust and believe everything the Party says. They are convinced by the constant propaganda and their own fear. They have no minds of their own and blindly obey. The second important event is "the book". "The book" explains how the Party operates and the history of Oceania. This section is most likely directed towards readers. This can be proven because Winston states that he already knew all the information in "the book". Readers obviously do not. It allows readers to understand the nature of the Party and see deeper into the oppression in which the Party Members and proles live. It shows how powerful the propaganda and lies are. Despite all the tragedy and torture, the people are convinced that the Party is right in everything that they do. Part IX helps provide evidence for the themes and provides readers with more information. Question 2: I'm not quite sure what this question means so I'm just going to go off of my answer to question 1. Readers definitely saw the changing of allies and the reaction coming. They have already been told that the Party constantly changes allies and enemies. This was expected to occur sooner or later. The reaction of the people was also expected. Reader have long known that the Party convinces people to believe them using propaganda. They also know that the people, especially the proles, believe everything the Party says or does. It was a natural reaction to believe that they were wrong and the Party was right. Another thing readers saw coming was the content of "the book". Obviously they did not know was the exact information in it was, but readers could make logical guesses based on what they already know about the Party. Readers already know that the Party manipulates the people using war and propaganda. They also know that the Inner Party members want power and will do anything to retain it. It was already expected that the information in "the book" would support and expand these ideas. Chapter IX was made specially for readers so that they would understand the Party better using what they already know. Question 3: In Part X, Winston thinks about the proles. He believes that both he and Goldstein are correct about the proles being the only hope. He realizes that the proles will never die off because they have kept their humanity. This will allow them to topple the Party. Winston then realizes that the Party members have no humanity and are, therefore, dead inside. Their humanity has already died. Then, the Thought Police come and arrest them.
Part IX is comprised of long stretches of text out of Goldstein's book, the political explanation behind the three Party slogans. However, these are not included in the book for Winston's benefit; indeed, Winston states that he already knows everything he just read. Rather, the text is an in-depth explanation of Orwell's views on totalitarianism and socialism. The chapter is therefore significant because it is Orwell's time to drive home his points. Several instances foreshadow Winston and Julia's capture and betrayal by Mr. Charrington. A prime example of this is the nursery rhyme whose entirety Winston tries to assemble by asking several characters. The last lines are, "Here comes a candle to light you to bed, and here comes a chopper to chop off your head." This symbolically foreshadows that someone will come to chop off, meaning betray or kill, Winston and Julia. The telescreen that secretly records their conversation is behind a picture of one of the churches in the rhyme. Additionally, throughout many conversations, Winston and Julia admit that they know they will eventually be captured and killed because of their divergence from the Party. At the time, they just did not know when to expect it. It is mentioned in the novel that the Thought Police, after capturing its targets, tortures and forces them to confess, murdering the victims afterwards. This is inevitably where Winston and Julia are headed, unless they somehow miraculously escape or are broken out by other rebels.
1) Part IX signifies all of the book’s previous events. Winston believes he is part of the secret Brotherhood and revels in this, feeling confident in his abilities for the first time in the book. He slowly lets his guard down because “the book” reassures him and makes him believe he can actually change something. This part of the book brings both the reader and Winston into a false sense of security. It shows Orwell’s ability to manipulate the reader. The reader should realize from previous events in the book that there is no hope for the future and that events usually consist of what is opposite of the surface. The sections Winston reads from “the book” gives more insight into the history and ideology of Oceania. Orwell uses this to stall the action of the book and show that the rest of the world is basically the same as Oceania. Part IX is a culmination of Orwell’s strategies and past events of the book.
2) The reader should have expected Winston and Julia to get caught, but do not due to Orwell’s writing in the previous chapter. Orwell uses “the book” to allow both the readers and the characters to let their guard down. Every event in the book points towards Julia and Winston getting caught, but Orwell places it in a part of the book that catches the reader by surprise. The picture of St. Clemens is known to have significance and should have been suspected by the reader. The reader also should have grown more suspicious as Winston began to let his guard, but Orwell manipulates the reader into letting their guard down as well. In the meeting with O’Brien, he specifically tells Winston and Julia that they will be caught at some point. It is assumed that this will be some point in the future, after they have performed tasks for the Brotherhood. This also should have made the reader suspicious because other events in the book are the opposite of what they are on the surface. The entire scene demonstrates what Orwell tries to explain throughout the entire book.
3) One would assume that now Winston and Julia will be taken in for questioning and will confess what they know, but knowing Orwell something else will happen. It is obvious that Winston and Julia will be taken, but what happens during the questioning is unknown. Parts IX and X completely destroy everything the reader knows about Oceania. The junk shop is supposed to be Winston and Julia’s only safe place, but is actually being watched the entire time. The proles are believed to be separate from the Party, but Charrington’s participation of their capture ruins that. The prole district has always been known for not having telescreens or being connected to the Party and the events in the junk shop also dissolve those theories. The reader can make assumptions as to what will happen next, but Orwell will most likely throw some plot twist into the mix that changes everything the reader knows once again.
The significance or part 9 is the book that O'Brien gave to Winston. "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" reveals the Party's tactics and ideas. The chapters are titles with the Party's slogans. The book describes how to control the history and memory of the citizens to gain further control. The book says that the war is only a fact of life that enables ruling powers to keep the masses ignorant of life in other places. I did think that Mr. Charrington could not be trusted but I did not think he would be a member of the Thought Police. My prediction for what happens next is that Winston will obviously be taken hostage and beaten, I do not think the rebellion he was hoping for will happen.
Part IX is highly significant, because 1984 is a political novel. Orwell needed a part in the novel to place his political views in a creative way that the reader would absorb and take in. If he wrote a paper or news article on the subject, he could list how he feels about the government, world, etc. However, he chose to write a novel and use a love story to deliver his opinion. Goldstein's book is Orwell's way of addressing politics.
I knew Julia and Winston would be caught sooner or later, but I never imagined Mr. Charrington would be a member of the Thought Police. I felt skeptical of Julia and Winston being completely safe and alone. Now the rhyme makes sense. This goes to show no one in Oceania can be trusted. I thought O'Brien would turn Julia and Winston in, not Mr. Charrington.
Winston and Julia will now be questioned. The Party will try to break them, but Winston and Julia have promised no matter what, the Party cannot destroy their love. It will be an interesting journey to see if they will both stay true to one another. I do not have high hopes, but I am curious on how the Party will try to achieve their goal of destroying Winston and Julia.
There is a significance in chapter 9 because Winston is reading "the book" that O'Brien had given him. He was very eager to read it and wanted to know what was really happening in the Party. However, it is not what he expected, it merely explained the party's doing and why they had done so. It did not leave any room to prove to others that the Party is wrong. In a way, I did see that they were going to be caught. However it was a shock that Julia dies considering main characters always live and achieve their goals. The readers knew they were going to be caught, because the Party keeps a close eye on all its people so they are always in line. This also means having hidden telescreens, and having secret thought police such as Mr. Charrington. In the next book, I think Winston is going to manage to escape, and will go back with O'Brien and try to remain hidden.
The significance in book 2 chapter 9 is when Winston gets a hold of the book. Once Winston gets ahold of the book be begins to read it alone to himself , then he reads it to Julia. While reading the book Winston notices it contains the history and ideology of the party. Winston reads this book in Mr. Charrington's apartment and Him and Julia fell asleep. When they wake up they notice that they are captured, and that Mr. Charrington is a part of the Thought Police. I think I saw this coming because we all knew at one point in time, because they were eventually going to get caught for going against the Party. In chapter 10, they realize they are "dead" and had been captured. The troops storm in through the window, and proceed to kick and beat Julia and Winston. The troops drag away julia, and Winston is aware that Mr.Charrington was against them the whole time.
Part IX provides a recap of knowledge so far. It clarifies information the reader has learned so far about the Party and introduces other facts to clear up any confusion. The chapter provides a turning point in the book. Orwell is changing the direction of the book in Book Three and chapter 9 allows the reader to see where it is headed. The reader can see that the next book will not be about Winston and Julia's love story and will be more focused on the Party and what Winston has yet to figure out. Winston does not know the why of the Party. Chapter 9 reminds the reader that he has not figured this out. This gives the reader an idea of what Winston will be focused on now. He will try and figure out the why. Part IX is significant because it provides a change in direction and recap of information presented so far in the book. Winston being caught was inevitable. The reader was told from the beginning he was going to die but the question was when. The surprising part of his capture was the knowledge it brought forth. Although Winston said the Thought Police were always watching, there had been no real solid proof besides Syme's disappearance. It also shows that no one goes unwatched even the proles. The reader knew from the its introduction that something was special about the picture. He or she just did not know how significant. By the picture hiding a telescreen, it changes the idea that the proles are free. Winston's capture was also surprising because Mr. Charrington was part of the Thought Police. Up to this point, Charrington provided a relic of the past and acted as a sort of reference and safety for Winston. All safety Winston felt in the shop though was take away in mere minutes. While his capture was not surprising how quickly it came, who was involved, and the information it presented is. There is nothing really sure about the future of the book. The only certain thing is that Winston will die. The reader does not know how or when but he or she does know that he will. Julia's future is much the same as Winston's. It does not appear that she will be able to find her way out of this one. Winston will be either tortured for information and then killed or sent to a labor camp where he will die. In this process the reader will hopefully find out the why the Party. This has been the question that has remained through all three of the books. Very few things are certain about what will happen next in the book. Winston and Julia will not betray each other though because of the promise they made.
1. The dramatic tension of the enemy changing and long talk of politics set up the turn of events for the arrival of the Thought Police. The political discussion puts the reader into relaxation mirroring Winston’s growing confidence in his ability to overcome the Party. Even though Winston predicts own capture throughout the book, he uses the political dicussion to time the arrival of the Thought Police to catch the reader surprised.
2. Since Winston continually said he was going to get caught by the thought police he was bound to get caught. He got too confident in his ability to outwit the party, so he was no longer being as careful not to be caught.
3. I think Winston and Julia will either be hung publicly or tortured.
This part of the book, I think at least, was meant to create a long drawn-out lull in the book right before everything dramatically falls apart.
Not at first, but now I'm really upset I missed all the little signs that Orwell threw in there. For example, Julia kept saying how she had to clean the room sometime. She especially wanted to clean the picture because she had a feeling there were "bugs" behind it. That was a weird thing to say but now I realize that if she had then she would've discovered the telescreen behind the picture.
I have a feeling that they will both die or at least Julia will and Winston will be put into a forced labor camp or something. Orwell usually tries to send a warning to the reader about protecting their personal rights by killing off the characters they can relate to who failed to protect their freedom.
Part nine is important to explaing how identical the thoughts of Winston are to Goldstein's. This is assured by "the book" as Winston reads through the truth about the history of Oceania and how it is so easily changed by Big Brother. Mr. Charrington being a part of the Thought police was one of the possibilities I thought of, but I did not believe it would happen considering the book continued so long without him turning them in. When the voice first came from behind the telescreen, I thought it would be Mr. O'Brien, but I was not surprised when we figured out who it really was. I was not greatly surprised because there was some foreshadowing, as Orwell purposely made Mr. Charrington quick to help Winston without much familiarity. Next, I believe that Winston and Julia will be separated and Winston will be presented in front of the Leader and the Party. This will leave Mr. O'Brien in a hard place, as he must decide to save Winston's life or let an important part of their rebellion die.
The purpose of Part IX is for George Orwell to express his views and opinions on the politics of the world. A large portion of this chapter is dedicated to Winston reading "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" and this book is Orwell's way of voicing his viewpoint. Part IX is also setting up for Part X by distracting you so that the events in Part X come as more of a shock.
In Part X, Winston and Julia are caught by the Thought Police. This was unexpected because in Part IX, Winston talks about how safe he feels in this room and how he likes that he can read in peace without someone looking over his shoulder.
Next, Winston and Julia will most likely be tortured into giving all the information they have about the Brotherhood and killed after that. This is what O'Brien had stated previously when Winston and Julia were first being introduced to the Brotherhood.
Winston reads Goldstiens book and then understands the true meaning of war is peace. He learns that its is a propaganda statement used by the party and the other high class people of Eurasia and Eastasia. The idea behind this is that the high class leaders of these countries use the ongoing war to distract the people from realizing issues in its own country. This allows for the high class leader to retain control and wealth.
I though that they would eventually they would have been caught in the act. That was a given to me because i knew that it would make the plot more interesting. I had no idea that Mr. Charrington was apart of the thought police that was a plot twist I wasnt ready for.
Whats next? I think that they are going to be tortured. Then i think they will be forced to drink the gin and be brainwashed.
Even though Orwell entitles this passage as "The Book", this is actually his view of society. Essentially, the allegory throughout this book is of the society that Orwell fears will develop in the coming years. It shows Orwell's view of society as a whole, and how he believes that it is falling apart. That is essentially what the entirety of the book is about. This also serves as the calm before the storm. Orwell deliberately places a long and boring excerpt from the book so that when Winston and Julia are caught, it almost completely catches the reader off guard.
It was inevitable that Winston and Julia would be caught. They knowingly told themselves that staying in that area was folly and they would most likely be caught. Even though I did not catch Orwell's definite use of diction, there is no doubt that he used diction several times to suggest the fate of the characters. However, I did catch one instance when Winston thought that when he looked into the glass paperweight, time could be arrested.
There will be obvious torture done to both of them, and they will tell the Thought Police everything. Now that we know for sure that the telescreens actually used, we know that the Thought Police could constantly watch them. From that they could torture them based upon their own fears. My thought is that they will either somehow escape, or they will be sent to forced labor camps. However, I have seen no evidence to this point to suggest that either of these outcomes will be at all true.
1. Part IX is significant because the enemy has changed and there have been long political talks leading to the arrival of the thought police. As a reader I grew relaxed as Winston showed growing confidence with his ability to outdo the party. Winston saw his own capture coming and predicted it to happen. 2. Winston originally was very careful in how he planned things so that's why he was not caught earlier. The problem arose when his confidence level went too high. He was not as careful and this led to his capture. 3. Two things could happen. We read about the torture and execution of Winston and Julia. Or the brotherhood breaks an oath and saves the couple from giving up information. The ladder could lead t the spark of the revolution that seems possible to happen but has not yet.
Part IX is significant because it is almost entirely Goldstein’s book. The book is full of the ideologies that Winston has thought of in book one. It puts his thoughts into more sophisticated words. Readers now know that there are more people like Winston who have the same beliefs he does. Part nine also sets up a relaxed feeling in the novel to make the Thought Police a larger surprise. Winston feels confident and comfortable when he falls asleep making readers feel the same way effectively shocking readers when Julia and Winston are taken by the Thought Police. Although Part IX lead up to the large reveal in Part X, it had to happen eventually. All evidence has shown that the Party effectively disposes of its defectors and Winston himself said to Julia that they were going to get caught. His dreams and visions foreshadow his capture and it has finally happened. What happens next in the novel is Julia and Winston will be tortured in the Ministry of Love. They will most likely die in the Ministry or be made examples of as Thought Criminals. They may be manipulated by torture and fear so that they learn to comply with the principles of the Party.
In Part IX politics become a major involvement. Winston becomes extremely cocky in the fact that he thinks he can be smarted than the Party and find a way around them. So far throughout the book Winston has continuously said that he would be caught by the Thought Police. He uses his political discussion in a way to time when the Thought Police would appear.
Winston kept trying to outsmart the Thought Police it was about time he got caught. He was always worried about getting caught, walking on eggshells, but now he became cocky in his ability to be better than the Thought Police and it led him to failure.
I have a feeling that Winson and/or Julia will be vanished or tortured in front of everyone to see.
(Sorry for turning this in late. I got my wisdom teeth out and was unaware we had this blog.)
The significance of Part IX is that the allies of Oceania constantly change and the citizens pay no attention to this action. The citizens naturally trust every action the Party makes and are easily persuaded by the use of propaganda. This proves that Winston is correct with his assumptions throughout the novel. In the first chapter, Winston said that the proles are the most important for a revolution, and in this chapter it states that the lower class fuels a rebellion so Winston is correct. Another important aspect in this chapter is "the book", which explains how the Party alters the history of Oceania. Winston explains how he knows all of the information that is in this book, therefore, "the book" must be directed towards the audience. The audience can now fully understand all of the lies they used with the technique of propaganda to keep all of the citizens under control. Therefore, this chapter provides more information to the audience about the Party.
It was clear that Winston and Julia were eventually going to get caught because the meeting they had with O'Brien foreshadows this event. However, I thought that Julia would turn out to be the Thought Police or that Winston would be able to overthrow the Party. Therefore, when Mr. Charrington turned out to be the Thought Police, it was shocking even though he did know a lot for being a prole.
Throughout the rest of the novel, Winston will most likely continue to be beat up by the Party or eventually be killed. The Party may kill him because they know that he has thoughts of a revolution. However, they may brainwash Winston so he can not remember any of the negative aspects about the party and return back to when he first started living in the Party back when he was afraid, oblivious, and under the Party's power.
In part nine we see some major developments about the history of Oceania. Although Winston claims he knows all the information in the book given to him by o'brien, this is still important because it shows the readers a glimpse into the past. It explains the meaning behind the party's slogans and in general clears up the foggy past. Also we once again see how dimwitted the proles are when they change allies and don't say anything about it. This completely sets a new low for the proles. This "war" that's been going on for years has to be at least of some significance in the proles mind. However the fact that the party can just simply change there ally for no reason whenever they want,shows how stupid the proles truly are.
Yes I think the events of capturing Winston and Julia were inevitable. However, Orwell did trick me in the ways they would be caught. Up until now, I thought Julia was going to turn in Winston. I figured she was just waiting for some confirmation that he was going to revolt. I still do suspect o'brien to be at fault, but I sure didn't expect Mr. Charrington to be the culprit.
I think Julia will be killed because she is in the ministry of love and committed it's number one crime. Also, I think Winston will meet o'brien again however, this time I think we will see who o'brien truly is and he will beat winston. I don't see a revolution in the future and I think Winston will ultimately die.
War becomes the main focus is part 9 and we learn that we are all at war but neither 3 powers can over power the other. It shows a constant battle that the party struggles with and manipulates peoples thinking that they need to fear but they don't.
I always thought that Winston would somehow be caught by the thought police. It did have a twist to it having mr charrington part of the thought police but we all saw it coming that he was going to get caught...
I somehow feel that a rebellion still may occur. Even though he has been captured by the thought police and may be tortured but the book can't just end there and O'Brien will eventually come back into play
Part IX is significant because everything that Orwell wants to portray is coming through in this portion of the novel. The reader feels more confidence through Winston due to the fact that there is many others with the same beliefs as Winston. Winston uses his political discussion in a way to time when the Thought Police would appear.
Winston got cocky and believed that he had already mastered the Party. This demeanor that he has now makes him more eligible to get caught and that's exactly what happened. Orwell has foreshadowed this from page one.
I believe that Winston and Julia will be publically marched around the square and then later be tortured. It was common for political leaders to be marched around the public square. Winston began to take a more political stance so this would be appropriate for him. I think this will occur or they will be vaporized and vanish completely.
1) In part 9 it shows that what they predicted was correct. Julia was right on no war being fought in chapter 3 of the book. Also that part in 1984 was to put you into a different mood. 2) No because Orwell wrote the book so no one would expect that to occur. He purposely changed to mood in order to surprise the reader. 3) Julia and Winston will be caught and most likely vanished. Their crime obviously cannot go unpunished. Either they will be killed to removed from the area to a remote place far away from eachother.
Part IX verifies Winston's understanding about what the Party is doing and how it is effecting the people. Also, it gives background information about the Party and Oceania and why the world is functioning the way it is. Another thing about Part IX is that is shows the different perspectives of Winston and Julia about "the book." Winston is extremely into it and is intrigued about Goldstein's views. He is glad to finally understand where his absurd believes about the Party come from. Julia, on the other hand, does not need verification for why she feels the way she does about the Party. Ultimately, she could care less about "the book." She supports what it stands for, however she doesn't personally care about its contents. This is why Part IX is significant to the making of the book.
I did predict Julia and Winston would get caught. It made sense for them to be caught because they are both apart of Oceania. The Party holds a high security over the people, and if anyone goes out of line, the Party punishes them. This government ensures that the people know the consequences so that they are afraid to do the crime. Because the Party watches the people so intently, it only made sense that the two would get caught for how often they committed the crimes.
In Book Three, I believe that the two people will be highly questioned and possibly tortured in order to figure out who all is involved in the Brotherhood. Also, I think that Julia may be more willing to blame Winston for their actions. Julia, if and when she is questioned, could tell the Party that she was not fully involved, and it is Winston that knows the most about the processes they have been going through. Winston, I believe, will stick to his word and not tell anything he knows. However, he may try to explain to the Party how life could be like if they changed the way the government was run.
- Part IX is significant because it shows the power that the Party has over the citizens. The Party states that there is again a change in who they are at War with. The citizens immediately believe the change and disregard their previous beliefs. This shows how easily the citizen's mind are manipulated by authority. This chapter is also significant because a large part of it is an excerpt from the book. This excerpt is meant for Orwell to directly speak to the reader and explain to them the power of the Party.
- Orwell has been foreshadowing this moment since the first chapter of the book. Winston has mentioned his captured several times throughout the novel. Winston was bound to get caught, and he knew and excepted this fact.
- My prediction for Part III of the novel is that Winston and Julia will be held by the Party and tortured for information. They use Julia as a torture device for Winton but will not be able to do the same for Julia because she does not love Winston.
1. The significance of part IX is that it proves that Winstons predictions were right throughout the book. Julia is right in the sense that there is no war actually being fought and that the sides are gaining barely any territory. This shows that no matter who the government changes the enemy up against it is going to change everything including the territorial outcome. Winstons is also right about the prices meaning a substantial all part in the fuel for the rebellion even though the physically can't rebel against the strong government. To Winston this book is exciting and refreshes his memory with rebelling and when he reads it to Julia he falls asleep because she doesn't care. She rebels only for her own pleasure.
2. It was all a matter of time before Julia and Winston got caught. They were bound to be broken quickly, with both of their different ways towards rebellion they would snap. The thing that surprised me the most was that mr. Charrington turned out to be part of the thought police. I assumed that they would be killed but Winston was just heated up badly.
3. I believe that they will be killed by the government in order for the government to stop any further rebellion or reason to rebel. They want to beat them up or kill them quietly or all the people they have touched will have a big reason to rebel against the government. They might decide to brainwash him and cause him to basically be braindead like the other citizens then send him back out there once they are sure he can't do anymore harm to the government.
The singficance of part 9 was to set you up for part 10. By having a long chapter like that it got you into more of a relaxed mood. Having you read chapters 1&3 of Goldstiens book practicality made you fall asleep. But it also expressed and reiterated the opinion of the party by Goldstein and Winston. By having this chapter it made you more shocked about what happened even though you already saw it coming from a mile away. Yes Mr.Moio I did see that one coming. It was expected by me for quite somewhile now. Once Winston felt safe along with Julia they basically dug their own graves. Also because they went against their own rules. Like never, ever use the same hiding spot more than twice. Then their was a little bit of foreshadowing at the begining of chapter 9 by Orwell when he said that Winston was tired and didn't expect anybody to stop him. What happens next is anyone's guess from here. Winston and Julia could be killed and the revolution never started. Or they could somehow escape and take down Big Brother your guess is as good as mine.
Part IX is significant for a few reasons. One, It is the first time we are given outside information about the party. During this entire book, our knowledge of the party was based on the limited knowledge the Winston had. Then, Julia gave us a little more, but now we know exactly how the party works. This also reassures Winston of his understanding, because he knew about all of this information, but his thoughts had been too scattered and disorganized for him to be sure of himself. Another reason this part is important is the fact that he is reading outside information, out loud too. It helps set the stage for part X, because now there is proof without a doubt that he and Julia are a part of the brotherhood (although I think they already knew that). It’s also a significant chapter for the reader, because this is where Orwell explains how the world fell to pieces and shows how easily it could happen. If you were someone living in the 1950s, you would probably make the connection and be more aware of your surroundings. This book was like The Book in real life, written before it was too late unlike in the story.
Ahh, classic. Behind the painting of the past, where no one would have guessed. Yeah, I mean, I knew they would get caught, but I wasn’t expecting it to happen this quickly. This was the first time he got to read The Book, so I was expecting them to survive a little longer. They had just officially joined the brotherhood. O’Brien was on their side, but now they are gone. The way it happened, though, was textbook. Telescreen hidden behind the painting, betrayed by Mr. Charrington, the one person you thought you could trust, then having the house surrounded by black suited men, just as Winston imagined. Whyyyyyy! They were so young!!! Well, at least Julia was…
Nothing good. Julia was blown out of the server by a violent swing to the stomach and never seen again by Winston. Winston is waiting there for someone to take him out, alone in his own world, with no one to help him. It’s not good and I imagine it’ll get worse. So, I guess the third book will be all about his imprisonment and torture in the dungeons of the ministry of love. I imagine it’ll sort of be like the video game Outlast, where the book depicts the different experiments done to him, and he survives as long as possible only in the end to be killed. He is a dead man, and he has been since about chapter 1.
The significance in book 2 chapter 9 is when Winston gets a hold of the book. Once Winston gets ahold of the book be begins to read it alone to himself , then he reads it to Julia. While reading the book Winston notices it contains the history and ideology of the party. Winston reads this book in Mr. Charrington's apartment and Him and Julia fell asleep. When they wake up they notice that they are captured, and that Mr. Charrington is a part of the Thought Police. I think I saw this coming because we all knew at one point in time, because they were eventually going to get caught for going against the Party. In chapter 10, they realize they are "dead" and had been captured. The troops storm in through the window, and proceed to kick and beat Julia and Winston. The troops drag away julia, and Winston is aware that Mr.Charrington was against them the whole time.
This part of the book is to really drag out the book, creating a boring and "ready to close the book" feel. Orwell does this to really surprise the reader as the most dramatic series of events happens in Chapter 10.
Originally I didn't as I thought Winston and Julia would be able to make it against the odds. Orwell drops signs as the reader should've caught on to. Julia wanting to clean behind the picture in the room above the junk shop seemed peculiar as that's not an usual place to do so. Also, checking for bugs is more peculiar. Now that I've read on I realize that the bugs are a symbol of the telescreen.
I believe that either Winston or Julia will be vaporized for sent into labor camps. They may escape this fate if the Party is able to destroy all their memories and dehumanize them to the standards of the rest of the citizens. They may also never escape as Big Brother is aware they're too powerful. I think the Brotherhood, although they never expose themselves, will rise up and destroy the Party restoring society.
The significance in part 9 lies in the book Winston and Julia receive from Goldstein and are required to read. Almost the whole time in part 9 is spent by Winston reading the book to himself and Julia. The book reveals secrets about the Party and how they run their society, however the significance is that the book proves Winston is correct with all of his predictions so far in the book. It is shown that Winston already knew that a revolution relies in the proles, the enemies of the party are constantly being altered, and the past is always being falsified. The book also shows how Julia was correct in her assumptions that there is no war truly being fought and that it is a constant standstill.
It was surprising that Mr. Charrington himself was a part of the thought police and ultimately the person who is going to vaporize Winston and Julia. However, ever since the meeting with O'Brien we are alerted that Winston and Julia will be captured and killed therefore it had to happen sooner or later. Also, the fact that Mr. Charrington was so smart and knew a lot about the past hinted at something odd because after all he is a prole and they are not very knowledgeable. This action came as a big surprise, but given evidence from prior parts it was foreseeable.
The book I believe can only go in two places from here on out. Either Winston and Julia somehow are able to escape together from the thought police, or they are tortured and sent to be murdered on public trial. I believe they will be tortured and end up giving information on the Brotherhood and their few contacts. This will lead to other rebels capture along with O' Brien possibly. Finally, it could end with the execution of Winston and Julia publicly and the triumph of the government over the people.
The first important thing is the changing of the allies. The people's reaction to this shows how blind they are. The automatically trust and believe everything the Party says without question. They are convinced by the constant propaganda, their own fear, and alleged reliability of the Party. The second important event is "the book". "The book" explains how the Party operates and the history of Oceania. This is most likely directed toward the reader because Winston states that he already knew all the information in "the book". It allows readers to understand the nature of the Party and shows how powerful the propaganda and lies are. Despite all the tragedy and torture, the people are convinced that the Party is right in everything that they do. Part IX helps the reader clear up any uncertainties they may have about the society.
I knew Julia and Winston were going to be caught and turned in sooner or later. Orwell used foreshadowing to tell us this while still allowing the reader to be optimistic that everything would work out. O'Brien's words gave me the biggest hint that they would be turned on soon. However, I didn't think Mr. Charrington would turn them in. I thought it would've been O'Brien. It makes sense that Charrington was a member of the Thought Police because of his knowledge and memory from times before the war.
Winston and Julia will most likely be questioned and tortured for what they knew and did. If so, they will never be the same again and lose all of their uniqueness they have maintained so far. They will probably become products of the Party.
The significance of part XI is that it gives us insight to the life and thoughts of Goldstine, it shows that somewhere there is actual free thought, that has a conception of the past. Although more importantly, it is written down. Written words are easier to destroy than thoughts, although it has the ability to be easily transferred from person to person, unlike thoughts. They can also not be forgotten. Next, we see that Winston is going to get kidnapped by the thought police, and since he now has the knowledge from the book, he is independent to an extent from the influence of the police, and is defiantly guilty of thought crime, but he has the ability to spread his views without learning anymore. I feel that he i not going to be killed, but transported, due to the fact that Winston was unsure of the killings that dealt with vaporization in the beginning.
I did see it coming, but not that fast, we knew a change was coming at the end of the part, like Orwell always does, but I didn't think it be this drastic. But the couple was becoming more and more risky, and less careful, so it was only a matter of time for them to be caught.
From this point on I think that they are going to be transported to a different location, and not killed, but instead they are going to be used for free thought by a different organization. Like I mentioned above, there is a suspicious blank spot in the information about what happens to the people captured by the thought police.
The significance if part IX is that Winston is reading the book given to him by O' Brien. It shows that Winston is right about his assumption in the book that he is reading. It shows that Julia was right about their being no real war going on and that their enemy might in fact be made up to scare the people. The real important part is how the book proves the two characters are right in some parts of their comments. It shows that Winston and Julia might get caught. We can kind of tell this when they are about to meet O' Brien. The talk they have with O' Brien is very important and shows that something will happen to the characters. It might include that even they think hey are safe they are really still being listened to. The two will probably be tortured and be an example of what will happen to people if they go against the Party. I believe that they might be vanished so nobody sees them ever again.
Part XI is very significant to to the plot of the book. It clarifies all the predictions the readers had previously made throughout the story about the party and the way things were created in that work. Now that Winston has the book he might either start to be more careless or more careful. He could get too confident in himself and the brotherhood and completely blow it or he could become sneakier than ever and benefit the cause of rebellion. Essentially the finding of the book its the turning point of the book from a tale of a forbidden romance to a dangerous political scheme. It matures the book and sets up a new path for the characters. Instead of just thinking and talking about a reform, they're joining a cause that could actually do something and they're learning all the things that go into the cause.
By Winston and Julia now getting caught they're putting their operation at risk. They got involved and now they're going to be punished for it. Their actions would've got them caught anyways, but they should have been more suspicious of Mr. Charrington, and not have trusted him so easily. Now that the party knows exactly how they feel about it and what they plan on doing, they'll be tortured for whatever other information they know, and vaporized after. They essentially set up their own doom. What happens next is they'll be questioned and tortured for any knowledge or opinions they have and they'll be hanged for treason and criminal acts against the party.
These chapters provide a turning point in the novel. Orwell is changing the direction of the tone and mood in the novel. The next book will not be about Julia’s and Winston’s forbidden love story but it will switch direction and focus on the government and the Party. I am definitely not surprised that Winston was caught. We were told that Winston would die but we never knew when. The surprising part is learning that no one goes unwatched, even the Proles. Also, Mr. Charrington was part of the Thought Police which was very surprising. The only thing I can predict in the future of the novel is Winston’s death. I would assume that Julia will also die. Winston and Julia will probably be tortured because of their actions. Not much is certain for the next part. I am interested to see if Julia and Winston keep their promise to not betray each other.
The significance of Part IX is that it is an in-depth analysis on Oceania’s history and the operations of the Party. It fill in the information of how Oceania landed into it’s nightmarish state. As before, Julia was correct about her belief that no was was happening and that the Party was waging it on the people. This made it easy for the government to switch alliances in the middle of Hate Week. The true revelation is that no war has actually been occurring. This discovery of no war happening in any of the superstates reveals the depth of deception, and the inhumanity of the government. Instead of protecting their citizens, they drop bombs on them to preserve order of a certain hierarchical social order.The Party uses constant propaganda and lies to scare and convince their citizens that they are right in every aspect. This chapter tells that Julia and Winston's assumptions were correct and fills in any information to clear up confusion.Winston and Julia were eventually going to be caught. Winston allowed his confidence to rise in his ability to outsmart the Thought Police, which eventually led to his capture. The surprising part of this chapter was that Mr. Charrington was a member of the Thought Police. He seemed like the last person to betray Winston and Julia. His character seemed so innocent and nice, allowing Winston and Julia to rent out the room above his shop, which was a rarely visited antique store. But Orwell sis leave subtle hints foreshadowing Charrington’s true identity. The repeating of the nursery rhyme “Here comes a chopper, to chop off your head” revealed the inevitable end that Winston was going to encounter when he met Charrington. In the next book, Winston and Julia will separately be taken to the Ministry of Love. There they will be tortured until they confess to all their crimes and information about the Brotherhood. After they will either be murdered or brainwashed again to comply with the Party’s standards.
So basically this part is a way for Winston to express his thoughts on totalitarianism and socialism. He needed a way to blatantly show this. This entire book was made to show how a totalitarian government is a bad thing and now Orwell secures his point for the audience. This also proves Julia right by saying there is no actual war.
I expected this to end badly as soon as Julia came into the story. I was always expecting Julia to be a spy and get Winston caught but it turns out they both did. I knew it would end badly, just like most nice things.
They might be killed which would be terrible because from what we know, Winston and Julia are the only rebellious minds who wish to make a change. Maybe Julia will manipulate/sleep her way out of it. I think Orwell will have more in store for Winston though.
Part IX is significant because it shows us the free thoughts that Goldstine writes on paper. It shows the reader a time where free thought was allowed and even more importantly it was written down. Although written evidence is easier to destroy then people's thoughts, the book is still being passed from person to person.Orwell is demonstrating just how important this book is to the rebellion, that the book comes from peoples thoughts. Winston is then taken by the thought police. Orwell set the book to seem he was going to break the odds and get away with the rebellion, but he doesn't. This is to represent that in a controlling society such as Oceania, once a society is so far gone past freedom, it is nearly impossible to get a free state back. Julia and Winston became careless in their meetings, and this eventually led to their capture. From this point, the society is going to keep Julia and Winston alive. They won't kill them. Orwell is going to show their torture they endure and what the Party is like from the inside, that the reader hasn't seen before.
1. The importance of chapter 9 is that it shows that Winston is right. Here it is confirmed that the proles would be necessary to a revolution. Orwell also needed a sort of filler chapter, if you will, before everything falls apart. 2. I did see it coming. I thought it would be later in the book when the revolution starts and not before they even got a chance to get it going. 3. Julia and Winston will be tortured for answers. I don't think Julia will give in but I have a feeling that Winston will after they threaten to kill Julia or something.
In this part we see charter change significantly. We see how influenced Winston has from the people around him. We see how he let his guard down and became confident in politics.He pictured him self better then the thought police and this led to his downfall. The foreshadowing on Winston actions are shown. Winston in the begin always said he would get caught by the thought police, then he devolved and became cocky. Thinking he could easily out smart and allude the police gave him confidence that he wouldn't get caught. This is why i saw this one coming. With the charter change in Winston this is what led me to this assumption. Winston slowly letting his guard down is what had me in suspense up to this point. My prediction is that torture will come to them from the government. The government is very cautious and strict. For something like this to happen under their noises they will get all the information they can to make sure this type of thing don't come up again in society.
I would say that this is the climax of the book. There is no part that is more suspenseful or building than this. Orwell betrays the reader by showing us that there was no real privacy and, though it was obvious, I didn't want it to happen so it came to me by surprise. The next step will be the Party's decision, but Julia and Winston gave us some clues as to what will happen. Firstly, Julia and Winston will betray each other. They will betray each other beyond just regular betrayal, they will stop loving each other. Julia's nature will mean she will serve her own interest and do anything to prevent her own pain. Winston will think about the things the party tells him and will be tough to reeducate. The party will be victorious, because it has won up to this point.
In part 9 Winston is showing his fear and anxiety about O'brien. He fears what O'brien may do or what he may know. This is a significant point because it is most likely leading up to the climax of the plot in the story.
Finally Winston and Julia are caught in the morning by the troops and one of the thought police members. We knew (hopefully) this was coming because of all the foreshadowing that was presented before hand.
What happens next is truly no ones guess. Unless you read ahead. They may be tortured, murdered and possible yes unlikely, let go. But they will most likely never meet again and be tortured till they die or become party members.
The significance of part IX is that it proves Winston's conspiracies were true. This also shows how the people of Winston's society blindly follows everything that the Party spews out. The fact that Winston read the book without a telescreen made him feel a sense of empowerment. This book also shows how each class what created and the order of keeping it that status. The concept that the past had no objective reality, which leads to the altering of it with doublethink.
It was pretty obvious that in someway O'Brien was going to turn against Winston and Julia, considering the questions he asked them once they were intoxicated. This puts their lives in jeopardy, and could ultimately fail their plan. Also, they were getting too risky with their relationship which has resulted in their demise.
Most likely, Winston and Julia will be tortured until they completely crack, or killed. Otherwise, they will not have the lives that they have had before. They will never see each other again after being tortured, and will be molded into brainwashed, law abiding citizens.
The significance of Part IX is that it proves Winston right in his assumptions throughout the book. Chapter 3 proves that Julia is correct in no war actually being fought. While they are fighting, the sides are gaining almost no new territory. It also proves that the enemies of Oceania constantly change, which is what Winston has noted. Chapter 1 proves Winston's statement about the proles being important for a revolution. The chapter says that the lower class fuel a rebellion.
ReplyDeleteIt was obvious that Winston and Julia wee going to get caught. Winston and Julia's meeting with O'Brien foreshadows this. O'Brien mentions that they can alter your face and appearance. Mr. Charrington's uniqueness in the novel also set him apart in a suspicious way. For a prole, he seemed to know a lot.
Winston and Julia are probably taken to the Ministry of Love and will be tortured. They will likely ruin any chance of a rebellion and snitch out O'Brien. All of the rebellions members will also likely be captured, and the book will end on the note of Winston and Julia being publicly executed after every other rebel.
In Part nine Winston gets a book from O'brien which talks about political theories and how the changing of history is needed and done by the party in order to have control over the people. Orwell probably put all this information in, in order to talk about the political structure of Oceania, but he probably also put it in to make the readers believe that Winston might succeed in his rebellion. It would make sense for Orwell to do that because the reader is caught more off guard by Winston's capturing in the next chapter. This chapter is also significant because you see the difference between Julia and Winston. When Winston tries reading the book to Julia, she falls asleep. To Winston, this book is exciting and gives him more of a reason to rebel, but to Julia it means nothing. Winston wants to completely overturn the party in the future, while Julia only wants to rebel against the party in the present, and enjoy her life, she doesn't care about the bigger things.
ReplyDeleteWhen reading this I had expected either two things to happen. I expected Julia to turn out to be a thought police, or Winston would be able to overturn the Party. This made it surprising when I found that Mr. Charrington was actually the one who turned out to be the thought police. However, Winston did end up getting caught and I assumed that he would be beat up by the thought police, which he was.
Winston will most likely continue to constantly be beat up by the party or he will be killed. The party might kill him now that they know that he has thoughts of a revolution, or they might brainwash him so that he doesn't remember any bad things about the party. He'll go back to how he used to be when he first started living in the party, scared, oblivious, and under the party's control.
Question 1: Two very important things happen in Part IX. The first thing is the changing of the allies. The people's reaction to this shows how blind they are. The automatically trust and believe everything the Party says. They are convinced by the constant propaganda and their own fear. They have no minds of their own and blindly obey. The second important event is "the book". "The book" explains how the Party operates and the history of Oceania. This section is most likely directed towards readers. This can be proven because Winston states that he already knew all the information in "the book". Readers obviously do not. It allows readers to understand the nature of the Party and see deeper into the oppression in which the Party Members and proles live. It shows how powerful the propaganda and lies are. Despite all the tragedy and torture, the people are convinced that the Party is right in everything that they do. Part IX helps provide evidence for the themes and provides readers with more information.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: I'm not quite sure what this question means so I'm just going to go off of my answer to question 1. Readers definitely saw the changing of allies and the reaction coming. They have already been told that the Party constantly changes allies and enemies. This was expected to occur sooner or later. The reaction of the people was also expected. Reader have long known that the Party convinces people to believe them using propaganda. They also know that the people, especially the proles, believe everything the Party says or does. It was a natural reaction to believe that they were wrong and the Party was right. Another thing readers saw coming was the content of "the book". Obviously they did not know was the exact information in it was, but readers could make logical guesses based on what they already know about the Party. Readers already know that the Party manipulates the people using war and propaganda. They also know that the Inner Party members want power and will do anything to retain it. It was already expected that the information in "the book" would support and expand these ideas. Chapter IX was made specially for readers so that they would understand the Party better using what they already know.
Question 3: In Part X, Winston thinks about the proles. He believes that both he and Goldstein are correct about the proles being the only hope. He realizes that the proles will never die off because they have kept their humanity. This will allow them to topple the Party. Winston then realizes that the Party members have no humanity and are, therefore, dead inside. Their humanity has already died. Then, the Thought Police come and arrest them.
Part IX is comprised of long stretches of text out of Goldstein's book, the political explanation behind the three Party slogans. However, these are not included in the book for Winston's benefit; indeed, Winston states that he already knows everything he just read. Rather, the text is an in-depth explanation of Orwell's views on totalitarianism and socialism. The chapter is therefore significant because it is Orwell's time to drive home his points.
ReplyDeleteSeveral instances foreshadow Winston and Julia's capture and betrayal by Mr. Charrington. A prime example of this is the nursery rhyme whose entirety Winston tries to assemble by asking several characters. The last lines are, "Here comes a candle to light you to bed, and here comes a chopper to chop off your head." This symbolically foreshadows that someone will come to chop off, meaning betray or kill, Winston and Julia. The telescreen that secretly records their conversation is behind a picture of one of the churches in the rhyme. Additionally, throughout many conversations, Winston and Julia admit that they know they will eventually be captured and killed because of their divergence from the Party. At the time, they just did not know when to expect it.
It is mentioned in the novel that the Thought Police, after capturing its targets, tortures and forces them to confess, murdering the victims afterwards. This is inevitably where Winston and Julia are headed, unless they somehow miraculously escape or are broken out by other rebels.
1) Part IX signifies all of the book’s previous events. Winston believes he is part of the secret Brotherhood and revels in this, feeling confident in his abilities for the first time in the book. He slowly lets his guard down because “the book” reassures him and makes him believe he can actually change something. This part of the book brings both the reader and Winston into a false sense of security. It shows Orwell’s ability to manipulate the reader. The reader should realize from previous events in the book that there is no hope for the future and that events usually consist of what is opposite of the surface. The sections Winston reads from “the book” gives more insight into the history and ideology of Oceania. Orwell uses this to stall the action of the book and show that the rest of the world is basically the same as Oceania. Part IX is a culmination of Orwell’s strategies and past events of the book.
ReplyDelete2) The reader should have expected Winston and Julia to get caught, but do not due to Orwell’s writing in the previous chapter. Orwell uses “the book” to allow both the readers and the characters to let their guard down. Every event in the book points towards Julia and Winston getting caught, but Orwell places it in a part of the book that catches the reader by surprise. The picture of St. Clemens is known to have significance and should have been suspected by the reader. The reader also should have grown more suspicious as Winston began to let his guard, but Orwell manipulates the reader into letting their guard down as well. In the meeting with O’Brien, he specifically tells Winston and Julia that they will be caught at some point. It is assumed that this will be some point in the future, after they have performed tasks for the Brotherhood. This also should have made the reader suspicious because other events in the book are the opposite of what they are on the surface. The entire scene demonstrates what Orwell tries to explain throughout the entire book.
3) One would assume that now Winston and Julia will be taken in for questioning and will confess what they know, but knowing Orwell something else will happen. It is obvious that Winston and Julia will be taken, but what happens during the questioning is unknown. Parts IX and X completely destroy everything the reader knows about Oceania. The junk shop is supposed to be Winston and Julia’s only safe place, but is actually being watched the entire time. The proles are believed to be separate from the Party, but Charrington’s participation of their capture ruins that. The prole district has always been known for not having telescreens or being connected to the Party and the events in the junk shop also dissolve those theories. The reader can make assumptions as to what will happen next, but Orwell will most likely throw some plot twist into the mix that changes everything the reader knows once again.
The significance or part 9 is the book that O'Brien gave to Winston. "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" reveals the Party's tactics and ideas. The chapters are titles with the Party's slogans. The book describes how to control the history and memory of the citizens to gain further control. The book says that the war is only a fact of life that enables ruling powers to keep the masses ignorant of life in other places. I did think that Mr. Charrington could not be trusted but I did not think he would be a member of the Thought Police. My prediction for what happens next is that Winston will obviously be taken hostage and beaten, I do not think the rebellion he was hoping for will happen.
ReplyDeletePart IX is highly significant, because 1984 is a political novel. Orwell needed a part in the novel to place his political views in a creative way that the reader would absorb and take in. If he wrote a paper or news article on the subject, he could list how he feels about the government, world, etc. However, he chose to write a novel and use a love story to deliver his opinion. Goldstein's book is Orwell's way of addressing politics.
ReplyDeleteI knew Julia and Winston would be caught sooner or later, but I never imagined Mr. Charrington would be a member of the Thought Police. I felt skeptical of Julia and Winston being completely safe and alone. Now the rhyme makes sense. This goes to show no one in Oceania can be trusted. I thought O'Brien would turn Julia and Winston in, not Mr. Charrington.
Winston and Julia will now be questioned. The Party will try to break them, but Winston and Julia have promised no matter what, the Party cannot destroy their love. It will be an interesting journey to see if they will both stay true to one another. I do not have high hopes, but I am curious on how the Party will try to achieve their goal of destroying Winston and Julia.
There is a significance in chapter 9 because Winston is reading "the book" that O'Brien had given him. He was very eager to read it and wanted to know what was really happening in the Party. However, it is not what he expected, it merely explained the party's doing and why they had done so. It did not leave any room to prove to others that the Party is wrong.
ReplyDeleteIn a way, I did see that they were going to be caught. However it was a shock that Julia dies considering main characters always live and achieve their goals. The readers knew they were going to be caught, because the Party keeps a close eye on all its people so they are always in line. This also means having hidden telescreens, and having secret thought police such as Mr. Charrington. In the next book, I think Winston is going to manage to escape, and will go back with O'Brien and try to remain hidden.
The significance in book 2 chapter 9 is when Winston gets a hold of the book. Once Winston gets ahold of the book be begins to read it alone to himself , then he reads it to Julia. While reading the book Winston notices it contains the history and ideology of the party. Winston reads this book in Mr. Charrington's apartment and Him and Julia fell asleep. When they wake up they notice that they are captured, and that Mr. Charrington is a part of the Thought Police. I think I saw this coming because we all knew at one point in time, because they were eventually going to get caught for going against the Party.
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 10, they realize they are "dead" and had been captured. The troops storm in through the window, and proceed to kick and beat Julia and Winston. The troops drag away julia, and Winston is aware that Mr.Charrington was against them the whole time.
Part IX provides a recap of knowledge so far. It clarifies information the reader has learned so far about the Party and introduces other facts to clear up any confusion. The chapter provides a turning point in the book. Orwell is changing the direction of the book in Book Three and chapter 9 allows the reader to see where it is headed. The reader can see that the next book will not be about Winston and Julia's love story and will be more focused on the Party and what Winston has yet to figure out. Winston does not know the why of the Party. Chapter 9 reminds the reader that he has not figured this out. This gives the reader an idea of what Winston will be focused on now. He will try and figure out the why. Part IX is significant because it provides a change in direction and recap of information presented so far in the book.
ReplyDeleteWinston being caught was inevitable. The reader was told from the beginning he was going to die but the question was when. The surprising part of his capture was the knowledge it brought forth. Although Winston said the Thought Police were always watching, there had been no real solid proof besides Syme's disappearance. It also shows that no one goes unwatched even the proles. The reader knew from the its introduction that something was special about the picture. He or she just did not know how significant. By the picture hiding a telescreen, it changes the idea that the proles are free. Winston's capture was also surprising because Mr. Charrington was part of the Thought Police. Up to this point, Charrington provided a relic of the past and acted as a sort of reference and safety for Winston. All safety Winston felt in the shop though was take away in mere minutes. While his capture was not surprising how quickly it came, who was involved, and the information it presented is.
There is nothing really sure about the future of the book. The only certain thing is that Winston will die. The reader does not know how or when but he or she does know that he will. Julia's future is much the same as Winston's. It does not appear that she will be able to find her way out of this one. Winston will be either tortured for information and then killed or sent to a labor camp where he will die. In this process the reader will hopefully find out the why the Party. This has been the question that has remained through all three of the books. Very few things are certain about what will happen next in the book. Winston and Julia will not betray each other though because of the promise they made.
1. The dramatic tension of the enemy changing and long talk of politics set up the turn of events for the arrival of the Thought Police. The political discussion puts the reader into relaxation mirroring Winston’s growing confidence in his ability to overcome the Party. Even though Winston predicts own capture throughout the book, he uses the political dicussion to time the arrival of the Thought Police to catch the reader surprised.
ReplyDelete2. Since Winston continually said he was going to get caught by the thought police he was bound to get caught. He got too confident in his ability to outwit the party, so he was no longer being as careful not to be caught.
3. I think Winston and Julia will either be hung publicly or tortured.
ReplyDeleteThis part of the book, I think at least, was meant to create a long drawn-out lull in the book right before everything dramatically falls apart.
Not at first, but now I'm really upset I missed all the little signs that Orwell threw in there. For example, Julia kept saying how she had to clean the room sometime. She especially wanted to clean the picture because she had a feeling there were "bugs" behind it. That was a weird thing to say but now I realize that if she had then she would've discovered the telescreen behind the picture.
I have a feeling that they will both die or at least Julia will and Winston will be put into a forced labor camp or something. Orwell usually tries to send a warning to the reader about protecting their personal rights by killing off the characters they can relate to who failed to protect their freedom.
Part nine is important to explaing how identical the thoughts of Winston are to Goldstein's. This is assured by "the book" as Winston reads through the truth about the history of Oceania and how it is so easily changed by Big Brother. Mr. Charrington being a part of the Thought police was one of the possibilities I thought of, but I did not believe it would happen considering the book continued so long without him turning them in. When the voice first came from behind the telescreen, I thought it would be Mr. O'Brien, but I was not surprised when we figured out who it really was. I was not greatly surprised because there was some foreshadowing, as Orwell purposely made Mr. Charrington quick to help Winston without much familiarity. Next, I believe that Winston and Julia will be separated and Winston will be presented in front of the Leader and the Party. This will leave Mr. O'Brien in a hard place, as he must decide to save Winston's life or let an important part of their rebellion die.
ReplyDeleteThe purpose of Part IX is for George Orwell to express his views and opinions on the politics of the world. A large portion of this chapter is dedicated to Winston reading "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" and this book is Orwell's way of voicing his viewpoint. Part IX is also setting up for Part X by distracting you so that the events in Part X come as more of a shock.
ReplyDeleteIn Part X, Winston and Julia are caught by the Thought Police. This was unexpected because in Part IX, Winston talks about how safe he feels in this room and how he likes that he can read in peace without someone looking over his shoulder.
Next, Winston and Julia will most likely be tortured into giving all the information they have about the Brotherhood and killed after that. This is what O'Brien had stated previously when Winston and Julia were first being introduced to the Brotherhood.
Winston reads Goldstiens book and then understands the true meaning of war is peace. He learns that its is a propaganda statement used by the party and the other high class people of Eurasia and Eastasia. The idea behind this is that the high class leaders of these countries use the ongoing war to distract the people from realizing issues in its own country. This allows for the high class leader to retain control and wealth.
ReplyDeleteI though that they would eventually they would have been caught in the act. That was a given to me because i knew that it would make the plot more interesting. I had no idea that Mr. Charrington was apart of the thought police that was a plot twist I wasnt ready for.
Whats next? I think that they are going to be tortured. Then i think they will be forced to drink the gin and be brainwashed.
Even though Orwell entitles this passage as "The Book", this is actually his view of society. Essentially, the allegory throughout this book is of the society that Orwell fears will develop in the coming years. It shows Orwell's view of society as a whole, and how he believes that it is falling apart. That is essentially what the entirety of the book is about. This also serves as the calm before the storm. Orwell deliberately places a long and boring excerpt from the book so that when Winston and Julia are caught, it almost completely catches the reader off guard.
ReplyDeleteIt was inevitable that Winston and Julia would be caught. They knowingly told themselves that staying in that area was folly and they would most likely be caught. Even though I did not catch Orwell's definite use of diction, there is no doubt that he used diction several times to suggest the fate of the characters. However, I did catch one instance when Winston thought that when he looked into the glass paperweight, time could be arrested.
There will be obvious torture done to both of them, and they will tell the Thought Police everything. Now that we know for sure that the telescreens actually used, we know that the Thought Police could constantly watch them. From that they could torture them based upon their own fears. My thought is that they will either somehow escape, or they will be sent to forced labor camps. However, I have seen no evidence to this point to suggest that either of these outcomes will be at all true.
1. Part IX is significant because the enemy has changed and there have been long political talks leading to the arrival of the thought police. As a reader I grew relaxed as Winston showed growing confidence with his ability to outdo the party. Winston saw his own capture coming and predicted it to happen.
ReplyDelete2. Winston originally was very careful in how he planned things so that's why he was not caught earlier. The problem arose when his confidence level went too high. He was not as careful and this led to his capture.
3. Two things could happen. We read about the torture and execution of Winston and Julia. Or the brotherhood breaks an oath and saves the couple from giving up information. The ladder could lead t the spark of the revolution that seems possible to happen but has not yet.
Part IX is significant because it is almost entirely Goldstein’s book. The book is full of the ideologies that Winston has thought of in book one. It puts his thoughts into more sophisticated words. Readers now know that there are more people like Winston who have the same beliefs he does. Part nine also sets up a relaxed feeling in the novel to make the Thought Police a larger surprise. Winston feels confident and comfortable when he falls asleep making readers feel the same way effectively shocking readers when Julia and Winston are taken by the Thought Police.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Part IX lead up to the large reveal in Part X, it had to happen eventually. All evidence has shown that the Party effectively disposes of its defectors and Winston himself said to Julia that they were going to get caught. His dreams and visions foreshadow his capture and it has finally happened.
What happens next in the novel is Julia and Winston will be tortured in the Ministry of Love. They will most likely die in the Ministry or be made examples of as Thought Criminals. They may be manipulated by torture and fear so that they learn to comply with the principles of the Party.
In Part IX politics become a major involvement. Winston becomes extremely cocky in the fact that he thinks he can be smarted than the Party and find a way around them. So far throughout the book Winston has continuously said that he would be caught by the Thought Police. He uses his political discussion in a way to time when the Thought Police would appear.
ReplyDeleteWinston kept trying to outsmart the Thought Police it was about time he got caught. He was always worried about getting caught, walking on eggshells, but now he became cocky in his ability to be better than the Thought Police and it led him to failure.
I have a feeling that Winson and/or Julia will be vanished or tortured in front of everyone to see.
(Sorry for turning this in late. I got my wisdom teeth out and was unaware we had this blog.)
DeleteThe significance of Part IX is that the allies of Oceania constantly change and the citizens pay no attention to this action. The citizens naturally trust every action the Party makes and are easily persuaded by the use of propaganda. This proves that Winston is correct with his assumptions throughout the novel. In the first chapter, Winston said that the proles are the most important for a revolution, and in this chapter it states that the lower class fuels a rebellion so Winston is correct. Another important aspect in this chapter is "the book", which explains how the Party alters the history of Oceania. Winston explains how he knows all of the information that is in this book, therefore, "the book" must be directed towards the audience. The audience can now fully understand all of the lies they used with the technique of propaganda to keep all of the citizens under control. Therefore, this chapter provides more information to the audience about the Party.
It was clear that Winston and Julia were eventually going to get caught because the meeting they had with O'Brien foreshadows this event. However, I thought that Julia would turn out to be the Thought Police or that Winston would be able to overthrow the Party. Therefore, when Mr. Charrington turned out to be the Thought Police, it was shocking even though he did know a lot for being a prole.
Throughout the rest of the novel, Winston will most likely continue to be beat up by the Party or eventually be killed. The Party may kill him because they know that he has thoughts of a revolution. However, they may brainwash Winston so he can not remember any of the negative aspects about the party and return back to when he first started living in the Party back when he was afraid, oblivious, and under the Party's power.
In part nine we see some major developments about the history of Oceania. Although Winston claims he knows all the information in the book given to him by o'brien, this is still important because it shows the readers a glimpse into the past. It explains the meaning behind the party's slogans and in general clears up the foggy past. Also we once again see how dimwitted the proles are when they change allies and don't say anything about it. This completely sets a new low for the proles. This "war" that's been going on for years has to be at least of some significance in the proles mind. However the fact that the party can just simply change there ally for no reason whenever they want,shows how stupid the proles truly are.
ReplyDeleteYes I think the events of capturing Winston and Julia were inevitable. However, Orwell did trick me in the ways they would be caught. Up until now, I thought Julia was going to turn in Winston. I figured she was just waiting for some confirmation that he was going to revolt. I still do suspect o'brien to be at fault, but I sure didn't expect Mr. Charrington to be the culprit.
I think Julia will be killed because she is in the ministry of love and committed it's number one crime. Also, I think Winston will meet o'brien again however, this time I think we will see who o'brien truly is and he will beat winston. I don't see a revolution in the future and I think Winston will ultimately die.
War becomes the main focus is part 9 and we learn that we are all at war but neither 3 powers can over power the other. It shows a constant battle that the party struggles with and manipulates peoples thinking that they need to fear but they don't.
ReplyDeleteI always thought that Winston would somehow be caught by the thought police. It did have a twist to it having mr charrington part of the thought police but we all saw it coming that he was going to get caught...
I somehow feel that a rebellion still may occur. Even though he has been captured by the thought police and may be tortured but the book can't just end there and O'Brien will eventually come back into play
Part IX is significant because everything that Orwell wants to portray is coming through in this portion of the novel. The reader feels more confidence through Winston due to the fact that there is many others with the same beliefs as Winston. Winston uses his political discussion in a way to time when the Thought Police would appear.
ReplyDeleteWinston got cocky and believed that he had already mastered the Party. This demeanor that he has now makes him more eligible to get caught and that's exactly what happened. Orwell has foreshadowed this from page one.
I believe that Winston and Julia will be publically marched around the square and then later be tortured. It was common for political leaders to be marched around the public square. Winston began to take a more political stance so this would be appropriate for him. I think this will occur or they will be vaporized and vanish completely.
1) In part 9 it shows that what they predicted was correct. Julia was right on no war being fought in chapter 3 of the book. Also that part in 1984 was to put you into a different mood.
ReplyDelete2) No because Orwell wrote the book so no one would expect that to occur. He purposely changed to mood in order to surprise the reader.
3) Julia and Winston will be caught and most likely vanished. Their crime obviously cannot go unpunished. Either they will be killed to removed from the area to a remote place far away from eachother.
Part IX verifies Winston's understanding about what the Party is doing and how it is effecting the people. Also, it gives background information about the Party and Oceania and why the world is functioning the way it is. Another thing about Part IX is that is shows the different perspectives of Winston and Julia about "the book." Winston is extremely into it and is intrigued about Goldstein's views. He is glad to finally understand where his absurd believes about the Party come from. Julia, on the other hand, does not need verification for why she feels the way she does about the Party. Ultimately, she could care less about "the book." She supports what it stands for, however she doesn't personally care about its contents. This is why Part IX is significant to the making of the book.
ReplyDeleteI did predict Julia and Winston would get caught. It made sense for them to be caught because they are both apart of Oceania. The Party holds a high security over the people, and if anyone goes out of line, the Party punishes them. This government ensures that the people know the consequences so that they are afraid to do the crime. Because the Party watches the people so intently, it only made sense that the two would get caught for how often they committed the crimes.
In Book Three, I believe that the two people will be highly questioned and possibly tortured in order to figure out who all is involved in the Brotherhood. Also, I think that Julia may be more willing to blame Winston for their actions. Julia, if and when she is questioned, could tell the Party that she was not fully involved, and it is Winston that knows the most about the processes they have been going through. Winston, I believe, will stick to his word and not tell anything he knows. However, he may try to explain to the Party how life could be like if they changed the way the government was run.
- Part IX is significant because it shows the power that the Party has over the citizens. The Party states that there is again a change in who they are at War with. The citizens immediately believe the change and disregard their previous beliefs. This shows how easily the citizen's mind are manipulated by authority. This chapter is also significant because a large part of it is an excerpt from the book. This excerpt is meant for Orwell to directly speak to the reader and explain to them the power of the Party.
ReplyDelete- Orwell has been foreshadowing this moment since the first chapter of the book. Winston has mentioned his captured several times throughout the novel. Winston was bound to get caught, and he knew and excepted this fact.
- My prediction for Part III of the novel is that Winston and Julia will be held by the Party and tortured for information. They use Julia as a torture device for Winton but will not be able to do the same for Julia because she does not love Winston.
1. The significance of part IX is that it proves that Winstons predictions were right throughout the book. Julia is right in the sense that there is no war actually being fought and that the sides are gaining barely any territory. This shows that no matter who the government changes the enemy up against it is going to change everything including the territorial outcome. Winstons is also right about the prices meaning a substantial all part in the fuel for the rebellion even though the physically can't rebel against the strong government. To Winston this book is exciting and refreshes his memory with rebelling and when he reads it to Julia he falls asleep because she doesn't care. She rebels only for her own pleasure.
ReplyDelete2. It was all a matter of time before Julia and Winston got caught. They were bound to be broken quickly, with both of their different ways towards rebellion they would snap. The thing that surprised me the most was that mr. Charrington turned out to be part of the thought police. I assumed that they would be killed but Winston was just heated up badly.
3. I believe that they will be killed by the government in order for the government to stop any further rebellion or reason to rebel. They want to beat them up or kill them quietly or all the people they have touched will have a big reason to rebel against the government. They might decide to brainwash him and cause him to basically be braindead like the other citizens then send him back out there once they are sure he can't do anymore harm to the government.
The singficance of part 9 was to set you up for part 10. By having a long chapter like that it got you into more of a relaxed mood. Having you read chapters 1&3 of Goldstiens book practicality made you fall asleep. But it also expressed and reiterated the opinion of the party by Goldstein and Winston. By having this chapter it made you more shocked about what happened even though you already saw it coming from a mile away.
ReplyDeleteYes Mr.Moio I did see that one coming. It was expected by me for quite somewhile now. Once Winston felt safe along with Julia they basically dug their own graves. Also because they went against their own rules. Like never, ever use the same hiding spot more than twice. Then their was a little bit of foreshadowing at the begining of chapter 9 by Orwell when he said that Winston was tired and didn't expect anybody to stop him.
What happens next is anyone's guess from here. Winston and Julia could be killed and the revolution never started. Or they could somehow escape and take down Big Brother your guess is as good as mine.
ReplyDeletePart IX is significant for a few reasons. One, It is the first time we are given outside information about the party. During this entire book, our knowledge of the party was based on the limited knowledge the Winston had. Then, Julia gave us a little more, but now we know exactly how the party works. This also reassures Winston of his understanding, because he knew about all of this information, but his thoughts had been too scattered and disorganized for him to be sure of himself. Another reason this part is important is the fact that he is reading outside information, out loud too. It helps set the stage for part X, because now there is proof without a doubt that he and Julia are a part of the brotherhood (although I think they already knew that). It’s also a significant chapter for the reader, because this is where Orwell explains how the world fell to pieces and shows how easily it could happen. If you were someone living in the 1950s, you would probably make the connection and be more aware of your surroundings. This book was like The Book in real life, written before it was too late unlike in the story.
Ahh, classic. Behind the painting of the past, where no one would have guessed. Yeah, I mean, I knew they would get caught, but I wasn’t expecting it to happen this quickly. This was the first time he got to read The Book, so I was expecting them to survive a little longer. They had just officially joined the brotherhood. O’Brien was on their side, but now they are gone. The way it happened, though, was textbook. Telescreen hidden behind the painting, betrayed by Mr. Charrington, the one person you thought you could trust, then having the house surrounded by black suited men, just as Winston imagined. Whyyyyyy! They were so young!!! Well, at least Julia was…
Nothing good. Julia was blown out of the server by a violent swing to the stomach and never seen again by Winston. Winston is waiting there for someone to take him out, alone in his own world, with no one to help him. It’s not good and I imagine it’ll get worse. So, I guess the third book will be all about his imprisonment and torture in the dungeons of the ministry of love. I imagine it’ll sort of be like the video game Outlast, where the book depicts the different experiments done to him, and he survives as long as possible only in the end to be killed. He is a dead man, and he has been since about chapter 1.
The significance in book 2 chapter 9 is when Winston gets a hold of the book. Once Winston gets ahold of the book be begins to read it alone to himself , then he reads it to Julia. While reading the book Winston notices it contains the history and ideology of the party. Winston reads this book in Mr. Charrington's apartment and Him and Julia fell asleep. When they wake up they notice that they are captured, and that Mr. Charrington is a part of the Thought Police. I think I saw this coming because we all knew at one point in time, because they were eventually going to get caught for going against the Party.
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 10, they realize they are "dead" and had been captured. The troops storm in through the window, and proceed to kick and beat Julia and Winston. The troops drag away julia, and Winston is aware that Mr.Charrington was against them the whole time.
This part of the book is to really drag out the book, creating a boring and "ready to close the book" feel. Orwell does this to really surprise the reader as the most dramatic series of events happens in Chapter 10.
ReplyDeleteOriginally I didn't as I thought Winston and Julia would be able to make it against the odds. Orwell drops signs as the reader should've caught on to. Julia wanting to clean behind the picture in the room above the junk shop seemed peculiar as that's not an usual place to do so. Also, checking for bugs is more peculiar. Now that I've read on I realize that the bugs are a symbol of the telescreen.
I believe that either Winston or Julia will be vaporized for sent into labor camps. They may escape this fate if the Party is able to destroy all their memories and dehumanize them to the standards of the rest of the citizens. They may also never escape as Big Brother is aware they're too powerful. I think the Brotherhood, although they never expose themselves, will rise up and destroy the Party restoring society.
The significance in part 9 lies in the book Winston and Julia receive from Goldstein and are required to read. Almost the whole time in part 9 is spent by Winston reading the book to himself and Julia. The book reveals secrets about the Party and how they run their society, however the significance is that the book proves Winston is correct with all of his predictions so far in the book. It is shown that Winston already knew that a revolution relies in the proles, the enemies of the party are constantly being altered, and the past is always being falsified. The book also shows how Julia was correct in her assumptions that there is no war truly being fought and that it is a constant standstill.
ReplyDeleteIt was surprising that Mr. Charrington himself was a part of the thought police and ultimately the person who is going to vaporize Winston and Julia. However, ever since the meeting with O'Brien we are alerted that Winston and Julia will be captured and killed therefore it had to happen sooner or later. Also, the fact that Mr. Charrington was so smart and knew a lot about the past hinted at something odd because after all he is a prole and they are not very knowledgeable. This action came as a big surprise, but given evidence from prior parts it was foreseeable.
The book I believe can only go in two places from here on out. Either Winston and Julia somehow are able to escape together from the thought police, or they are tortured and sent to be murdered on public trial. I believe they will be tortured and end up giving information on the Brotherhood and their few contacts. This will lead to other rebels capture along with O' Brien possibly. Finally, it could end with the execution of Winston and Julia publicly and the triumph of the government over the people.
The first important thing is the changing of the allies. The people's reaction to this shows how blind they are. The automatically trust and believe everything the Party says without question. They are convinced by the constant propaganda, their own fear, and alleged reliability of the Party. The second important event is "the book". "The book" explains how the Party operates and the history of Oceania. This is most likely directed toward the reader because Winston states that he already knew all the information in "the book". It allows readers to understand the nature of the Party and shows how powerful the propaganda and lies are. Despite all the tragedy and torture, the people are convinced that the Party is right in everything that they do. Part IX helps the reader clear up any uncertainties they may have about the society.
ReplyDeleteI knew Julia and Winston were going to be caught and turned in sooner or later. Orwell used foreshadowing to tell us this while still allowing the reader to be optimistic that everything would work out. O'Brien's words gave me the biggest hint that they would be turned on soon. However, I didn't think Mr. Charrington would turn them in. I thought it would've been O'Brien. It makes sense that Charrington was a member of the Thought Police because of his knowledge and memory from times before the war.
Winston and Julia will most likely be questioned and tortured for what they knew and did. If so, they will never be the same again and lose all of their uniqueness they have maintained so far. They will probably become products of the Party.
The significance of part XI is that it gives us insight to the life and thoughts of Goldstine, it shows that somewhere there is actual free thought, that has a conception of the past. Although more importantly, it is written down. Written words are easier to destroy than thoughts, although it has the ability to be easily transferred from person to person, unlike thoughts. They can also not be forgotten. Next, we see that Winston is going to get kidnapped by the thought police, and since he now has the knowledge from the book, he is independent to an extent from the influence of the police, and is defiantly guilty of thought crime, but he has the ability to spread his views without learning anymore. I feel that he i not going to be killed, but transported, due to the fact that Winston was unsure of the killings that dealt with vaporization in the beginning.
ReplyDeleteI did see it coming, but not that fast, we knew a change was coming at the end of the part, like Orwell always does, but I didn't think it be this drastic. But the couple was becoming more and more risky, and less careful, so it was only a matter of time for them to be caught.
From this point on I think that they are going to be transported to a different location, and not killed, but instead they are going to be used for free thought by a different organization. Like I mentioned above, there is a suspicious blank spot in the information about what happens to the people captured by the thought police.
The significance if part IX is that Winston is reading the book given to him by O' Brien. It shows that Winston is right about his assumption in the book that he is reading. It shows that Julia was right about their being no real war going on and that their enemy might in fact be made up to scare the people. The real important part is how the book proves the two characters are right in some parts of their comments. It shows that Winston and Julia might get caught. We can kind of tell this when they are about to meet O' Brien. The talk they have with O' Brien is very important and shows that something will happen to the characters. It might include that even they think hey are safe they are really still being listened to. The two will probably be tortured and be an example of what will happen to people if they go against the Party. I believe that they might be vanished so nobody sees them ever again.
ReplyDeletePart XI is very significant to to the plot of the book. It clarifies all the predictions the readers had previously made throughout the story about the party and the way things were created in that work. Now that Winston has the book he might either start to be more careless or more careful. He could get too confident in himself and the brotherhood and completely blow it or he could become sneakier than ever and benefit the cause of rebellion. Essentially the finding of the book its the turning point of the book from a tale of a forbidden romance to a dangerous political scheme. It matures the book and sets up a new path for the characters. Instead of just thinking and talking about a reform, they're joining a cause that could actually do something and they're learning all the things that go into the cause.
ReplyDeleteBy Winston and Julia now getting caught they're putting their operation at risk. They got involved and now they're going to be punished for it. Their actions would've got them caught anyways, but they should have been more suspicious of Mr. Charrington, and not have trusted him so easily. Now that the party knows exactly how they feel about it and what they plan on doing, they'll be tortured for whatever other information they know, and vaporized after. They essentially set up their own doom.
What happens next is they'll be questioned and tortured for any knowledge or opinions they have and they'll be hanged for treason and criminal acts against the party.
These chapters provide a turning point in the novel. Orwell is changing the direction of the tone and mood in the novel. The next book will not be about Julia’s and Winston’s forbidden love story but it will switch direction and focus on the government and the Party.
ReplyDeleteI am definitely not surprised that Winston was caught. We were told that Winston would die but we never knew when. The surprising part is learning that no one goes unwatched, even the Proles. Also, Mr. Charrington was part of the Thought Police which was very surprising.
The only thing I can predict in the future of the novel is Winston’s death. I would assume that Julia will also die. Winston and Julia will probably be tortured because of their actions. Not much is certain for the next part. I am interested to see if Julia and Winston keep their promise to not betray each other.
The significance of Part IX is that it is an in-depth analysis on Oceania’s history and the operations of the Party. It fill in the information of how Oceania landed into it’s nightmarish state. As before, Julia was correct about her belief that no was was happening and that the Party was waging it on the people. This made it easy for the government to switch alliances in the middle of Hate Week. The true revelation is that no war has actually been occurring. This discovery of no war happening in any of the superstates reveals the depth of deception, and the inhumanity of the government. Instead of protecting their citizens, they drop bombs on them to preserve order of a certain hierarchical social order.The Party uses constant propaganda and lies to scare and convince their citizens that they are right in every aspect.
ReplyDeleteThis chapter tells that Julia and Winston's assumptions were correct and fills in any information to clear up confusion.Winston and Julia were eventually going to be caught. Winston allowed his confidence to rise in his ability to outsmart the Thought Police, which eventually led to his capture. The surprising part of this chapter was that Mr. Charrington was a member of the Thought Police. He seemed like the last person to betray Winston and Julia. His character seemed so innocent and nice, allowing Winston and Julia to rent out the room above his shop, which was a rarely visited antique store. But Orwell sis leave subtle hints foreshadowing Charrington’s true identity. The repeating of the nursery rhyme “Here comes a chopper, to chop off your head” revealed the inevitable end that Winston was going to encounter when he met Charrington.
In the next book, Winston and Julia will separately be taken to the Ministry of Love. There they will be tortured until they confess to all their crimes and information about the Brotherhood. After they will either be murdered or brainwashed again to comply with the Party’s standards.
So basically this part is a way for Winston to express his thoughts on totalitarianism and socialism. He needed a way to blatantly show this. This entire book was made to show how a totalitarian government is a bad thing and now Orwell secures his point for the audience. This also proves Julia right by saying there is no actual war.
ReplyDeleteI expected this to end badly as soon as Julia came into the story. I was always expecting Julia to be a spy and get Winston caught but it turns out they both did. I knew it would end badly, just like most nice things.
They might be killed which would be terrible because from what we know, Winston and Julia are the only rebellious minds who wish to make a change. Maybe Julia will manipulate/sleep her way out of it. I think Orwell will have more in store for Winston though.
Part IX is significant because it shows us the free thoughts that Goldstine writes on paper. It shows the reader a time where free thought was allowed and even more importantly it was written down. Although written evidence is easier to destroy then people's thoughts, the book is still being passed from person to person.Orwell is demonstrating just how important this book is to the rebellion, that the book comes from peoples thoughts. Winston is then taken by the thought police. Orwell set the book to seem he was going to break the odds and get away with the rebellion, but he doesn't. This is to represent that in a controlling society such as Oceania, once a society is so far gone past freedom, it is nearly impossible to get a free state back. Julia and Winston became careless in their meetings, and this eventually led to their capture. From this point, the society is going to keep Julia and Winston alive. They won't kill them. Orwell is going to show their torture they endure and what the Party is like from the inside, that the reader hasn't seen before.
ReplyDelete1. The importance of chapter 9 is that it shows that Winston is right. Here it is confirmed that the proles would be necessary to a revolution. Orwell also needed a sort of filler chapter, if you will, before everything falls apart.
ReplyDelete2. I did see it coming. I thought it would be later in the book when the revolution starts and not before they even got a chance to get it going.
3. Julia and Winston will be tortured for answers. I don't think Julia will give in but I have a feeling that Winston will after they threaten to kill Julia or something.
In this part we see charter change significantly. We see how influenced Winston has from the people around him. We see how he let his guard down and became confident in politics.He pictured him self better then the thought police and this led to his downfall. The foreshadowing on Winston actions are shown. Winston in the begin always said he would get caught by the thought police, then he devolved and became cocky. Thinking he could easily out smart and allude the police gave him confidence that he wouldn't get caught. This is why i saw this one coming. With the charter change in Winston this is what led me to this assumption. Winston slowly letting his guard down is what had me in suspense up to this point. My prediction is that torture will come to them from the government. The government is very cautious and strict. For something like this to happen under their noises they will get all the information they can to make sure this type of thing don't come up again in society.
ReplyDeleteI would say that this is the climax of the book. There is no part that is more suspenseful or building than this. Orwell betrays the reader by showing us that there was no real privacy and, though it was obvious, I didn't want it to happen so it came to me by surprise.
ReplyDeleteThe next step will be the Party's decision, but Julia and Winston gave us some clues as to what will happen. Firstly, Julia and Winston will betray each other. They will betray each other beyond just regular betrayal, they will stop loving each other. Julia's nature will mean she will serve her own interest and do anything to prevent her own pain. Winston will think about the things the party tells him and will be tough to reeducate. The party will be victorious, because it has won up to this point.
In part 9 Winston is showing his fear and anxiety about O'brien. He fears what O'brien may do or what he may know. This is a significant point because it is most likely leading up to the climax of the plot in the story.
ReplyDeleteFinally Winston and Julia are caught in the morning by the troops and one of the thought police members. We knew (hopefully) this was coming because of all the foreshadowing that was presented before hand.
What happens next is truly no ones guess. Unless you read ahead. They may be tortured, murdered and possible yes unlikely, let go. But they will most likely never meet again and be tortured till they die or become party members.
The significance of part IX is that it proves Winston's conspiracies were true. This also shows how the people of Winston's society blindly follows everything that the Party spews out. The fact that Winston read the book without a telescreen made him feel a sense of empowerment. This book also shows how each class what created and the order of keeping it that status. The concept that the past had no objective reality, which leads to the altering of it with doublethink.
ReplyDeleteIt was pretty obvious that in someway O'Brien was going to turn against Winston and Julia, considering the questions he asked them once they were intoxicated. This puts their lives in jeopardy, and could ultimately fail their plan. Also, they were getting too risky with their relationship which has resulted in their demise.
Most likely, Winston and Julia will be tortured until they completely crack, or killed. Otherwise, they will not have the lives that they have had before. They will never see each other again after being tortured, and will be molded into brainwashed, law abiding citizens.