The significance of Orwell adding the dream to Book Two is to show how Winston has changed since meeting Julia. Before Winston had met Julia, he had gathered thoughts but wasn't entirely sure if what they meant. Winston also wasn't able to remember as many things from his past. Winston stopped drinking gin after he met Julia, and as a result is remembering more.
O'Brien appears to be the leader figure in the Brotherhood. O'Brien is the only known character who can turn off the telescreen at will. O'Brien also appears to be the only character to have a servant. He also seems to have all the known information on the Brotherhood so far in the book. All of Winston and Julia's missions are assigned by O'Brien. Lastly, similarly to when Winston met Julia, O'Brien provides well though out plans for Winston. All of these factors contribute to O'Brien seeming like a powerful figure.
The significance of Winston's dream was that it reveals more that Winston is a fatalist. He is not upset by many things seeing as his sister was fatally ill and he decided to take her chocolate anyways. He came back and both his mom and sister were missing and he didn't seem to care at all. My general impression is that O'Brien can not be trusted. He is telling Winston and Julia what they want to hear in order to gain their trust. Then he gives them wine which I believe may contain a substance just like the victory gin.
The significance of Orwell inserting Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of part VII, he inserts his dream about when he last ever saw his mother. Orwell did this to put a message behind his dream. Winston understands before the party, loyalty to family came before loyalty to the party. Orwell does this to show that Winston hopes that there are people in the world who actually love each other. The general impression of the interaction with O'Brien is as soon as Winston comes back, O'Brien is gone. Winston reflects off this interaction and believing that he is taking another step towards complete rebellion, and towards his own grave.
Orwell puts this particular dream in this part for many reasons. The dream signifies a turning point in Winston's character. The reader is able to see him progress from a selfish child to someone willing to give his life for a better future. The dream also helps to show how human Winston has become. Even when he was a child he did not seem concerned with love or others by essentially starving his mother and sister. Winston has become a different man. Because he can remember his mother, he now knows the power of love and personal beliefs. Winston's dream provides him with the knowledge that the party can never take away his thoughts and opinions. Orwell inserts this dream to show how far and prepared Winston has become for his battle against the Party. Winston has gone from an uncertain man to one of action and now one of concise and clear thoughts. The dream helps the reader to understand Winston and his character. He is driven by guilt of what has happened in the past and wants to make up for it by creating a better future. Orwell uses the dream to convey where exactly Winston is in his journey and to help Winston figure out what the Party can not do. O'Brien is a very aloof character. He does not talk about himself much and makes sure to be as vague and concise with his talking as possible. O'Brien appears to be all knowing. He knows the end to the church rhyme and is unfazed that Winston knows where to meet him. The reader does not know much about O'Brien besides the fact that he is an Inner Party member. O'Brien comes off as powerful and better than those around him. He has servants, can turn off his telescreen, drink wine, and dismisses Julia as if she is not important. This may be important in the future. O'Brien may see women as unimportant or he may only be focused on Winston based upon his actions.The reader is also left to wonder how O'Brien knows all. He is almost like Big Brother when you compare his description to O'Brien's actions. O'Brien has obviously been watching Winston enough to know he would want a rebellion. He is all knowing just like Big Brother because he is unfazed by what should be surprises. O'Brien is a character to watch closely as the book progresses in order to see if he truly is trust worthy or not.
The significance is that now recalling the memories he now recalls a little bit about his childhood and how times were a little different from they are now. The dream is significant because it shows Winston can somewhat recall certain events from his childhood and maybe it will help to spark Julia and help them start a revolution. My general impression of the talk with O'Brien is that maybe he will help Winston and the Proles to get the revolution started and maybe they will be successful. Evidence from the book is at the beginning of the talk the first thing O'Brien does is turn off the telescreen. This shows that he doesn't want anybody to hear or see the conversation that is about to go down. The second thing O'Brien does is he tells Winston that the brotherhood is real and that Emmanuel Goldstein is alive and he does exist. This shows that O'Brien knows something that other people may no know. The last thing he does is give Winston a copy of Goldstein's book. This shows he wants Winston to help get a revolution started. The story may take a dramatic turn of events if Winston is successful on getting a revolution started and he wins that revolution.
Winston's dream of his sister and mother further reflects Winston's guilt expressed earlier expressed in book one, and like his other dreams this implies that there is hope for Winston to revolt. His guilt from this dream promotes his hatred for the party because Winston blames the party for corrupting the youth of Oceania. So here the dream shows how progressive Winston's support of rebellion has come. Since Winston originally felt entirely responsible for his mother's disappearance, he unrelatedly rebelled from his awareness, but now knowing that the party corrupts people, his rebellious actions are aimed at revenge. Orwell placed this dream here, so that Winston has every reason to fight the party now: his health, his love life, and revenge of his family- which systematically pushes Winston to the final step, to meet with O'Brien. My general impression of the interaction with O'Brien is to not trust him mainly because he is an inner party member. This means that O'Brien has a "first class" experience in Oceania based on his place with clean walls, spacious rooms, good food, wine, well packed tobacco, servants, and the ability to turn off the telescreen. It is human instinct to be selfish, so O'Brien should not want to jeopardise his well off life for the benefit of the proles and outer party members well being. Winston's thoughts about doubting O'Brien prove how there is zero credibility for O'Brien to be against the party. O'Brien could be a spy of the thought police as he thought Julia to be where O'Brien's stare during Hate could have been surveillance for criminals. Winston is suspicious of women because of their purity, yet be should be more suspicious of men for their greed. Also O'Brien mentions that he might not see Julia or Winston again, and he says they will eventually be caught and punished. This comment implies a dark warning which he insists will happen suggests that he know that either him or someone else will see to that they receive punishment. In my opinion O'Brien is too far involved with the party to be against it and his greed will never lead him astray.
Orwell inserted Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII to show Winston's progression of memory. In the beginning of the novel, Winston was barely able to remember anything. Now, Winston is remembering details of the past. The dream also shows the guilt Winston holds for his mother and sister. Although he does not really know what actually happened to them, he believes that because of his selfish, stubborn actions as a child, they were either killed or put to work in labor camps. Winston will most likely never receive real answers because he does not even know if his mother and sister are dead or alive. The dream and subsequent memory may only come back for bad events in personal lifetimes. As Winston and Julia interacted with O'Brien, I was rather taken aback. It was very strange to me that O'Brien accepted Winston and Julia into the Brotherhood almost immediately. When O'Brien told Winston that he would give him the book in a suit case later, made me suspicious of what O'Brien may have up his sleeve. I believe that O'Brien seemed so open to accepting Julia and Winston because he is going to do a background check on them for the next few days to grasp their true characters. If he does not believe they are worthy to be in the Brotherhood, I believe that he will kill them. If they do prove themselves to be worthy, he will continue on to give Winston the book. The interaction with O'Brien has me posing many questions for what could happen in the future.
Question 1: Winston's dream about his mother is quite significant to the plot because it shows him what humanity is. He learns that humanity was love and relying on each other. When he wakes up, Winston realizes that the citizens are lacking it. This then becomes the driving force in his quest to destroy the Party. Winston also realizes that the proles have kept their humanity. They still can love and be loved. This greatly reinforces Winston's idea that "If there is hope, it lies in the proles." They (the proles) have kept the one thing that makes humans human. Also, the dream keeps the thought of humanity and his mother/childhood in his mind. This may be important later. Question 2: The interaction with O'Brein is quite secretive and almost harsh in nature. This can be seen in many examples in this chapter. It is certainly secretive when O'Brien hatches the plan to give Winston "the book". This emphasizes the secret nature of The Brotherhood. Also, turning off the telescreen provides an environment with no surveillance and many secrets. In addition to an air of secrecy, the meeting with O'Brien is quite harsh. The Brotherhood asks a lot of Julia and Winston. When first meeting with O'Brien, he asks what they are prepared to do for the organization. This includes killing hundreds of innocent people, committing suicide, and throwing sulfuric acid in a child's face. This is very violent and cruel. In addition to this, O'Brien talks about what to do if Winston or Julia is captured and tortured. O'Brien directly tells them that it is every man for himself. The Brotherhood will not assist them if they are captured. If they are captured, though, they are supposed to commit suicide to save The Brotherhood. This is quite harsh and mean.
Winston's dream at the beginning at chapter seven is important. One reason is this comes after Winston stops drinking the "victory gin". This could be proof that the Party is giving the people medication so they do not remember their past. Which this hypothesis could have Winston branching out and telling others to stop drinking what they give you. Another reason his dream is important is because it confirms his tragic flaw. His tragic flaw is negative look on everything. In the story he tells Julia that it is inevitable for them to stay together forever. This is shown in the flashback, whenever he knows his sister is dying, but it does not seem to bother him. I am a little hesitant about O'Brien after reading chapter eight. I feel this, because O'Brien seems to know too much about what Julia and Winston saying. It appears that he is getting information out of them so he can stop them. Whenever he asked Julia about cheating, homicide, and etc he appeared to just be wanting to confirm that they are rebelling. And whenever she said no about leaving Winston, it shows O'Brien that there is something suspicous on why she would not leave without Winston.
Orwell inserts Winston's dream now instead of earlier in the novel, because it not only shows his memory is improving, but also shows how his character has developed. In Book One, Winston had a hard time clearly remembering events of the past. Although Julia shows little interest in Winston's memory of his mother, she has brought him to a point where has a learned to cope with his fatalistic character. Winston always looks at how the present will end instead of enjoying the moment he is in. Julia has a more optimistic personality and this rubs off on Winston. Her positive attitude has led Winston to understanding the deeper means of his thoughts and dreams. He is the mind of the rebellion and Julia is the actress.
O'Brien's friendliness and the Brotherhood seem too good to be true. My question is, why did O'Brien wait until now to approach Winston? Why did Julia have to go with Winston to O'Brien's? Orwell uses the word "irony" and "ironic" a lot while describing O'Brien's actions and speech. The Brotherhood is not what Winston and Julia imagined, but if one cannot know who is apart of it, how does O'Brien know it exists? Plus, he knows the St. Clement's rhyme. I think he's a sketchy guy.
Winston's memory of his mother and sister is not suited for the exposition because before he began his affair with Julia, he could not recollect such memories. Winston might be gradually gaining some of his humanity, and therefore memory, back. This may result from the fact that Winston is attaining an emotional attachment to Julia that he never had with his mother, most likely because of Party doctrine. In the beginning, he had no humanity. He drunk and smoked himself into a stupor, and his only emotion was anger against the Party. Now, midway through the novel, he has become more humanized, with sorrow and regret from the events with his mother, and a little bit of happiness and optimism procured in him by Julia. This can even by symbolized by his mother. She represents the true past and what Winston is striving to change the regime into, his goal. At first, she is far away in his dreams, sinking with the ship. Now she is closer, and Winston can remember her unconditional love. As his goal approaches, so does she, and her memory continues to focus from blurry to, eventually, entirely lucid. The first extensive interaction between Winston and O'Brien exhibits one of Winston's biggest flaws: his tendency to trust too easily. Though Winston is distrustful and cynical overall, he is swayed by his desire to find someone, anyone, like him in mind and thought. He believes O'Brien is on his side by just a flicker of the eye, Julia by an "I love you" note, and Mr. Charrington by his knowledge of the past. O'Brien could easily fabricating the Brotherhood, as there are not any actual details about its formation and condition. There is no evidence to prove its existence or O'Brien's loyalty to it, other than his own declaration. Additionally, Winston and Julie consume the "authentic" wine and the tablets, as well as smoke O'Brien's cigarettes, without suspicion of poison or toxic substances. They truly trust O'Brien and are persuaded by his impressive authority, when initially, they should be skeptical of where his loyalties lie. This is an imperfect society, full of imperfect people, and Winston is deluded if he thinks that humans cannot be swayed or have conflicting emotions.
Winston's dream shows how he has always been known to be a fatalist. He thinks of all of the horrid outcomes and is primarily focussed around death. It also shows how selfish he is and only thought of himself. He did not care that his sister was on her death bed or that his mother was starving; he only worried about his own needs. He accepted the fact that they were both going to die, so ultimately they did not need to eat. If he were going to survive in the world the lived in, he was going to have to eat plenty and think of himself before all others. This is why the dream was significant in bringing out the fact that Winston has always been, and may always remain, a fatalist.
I think the interaction with O'Brien was a bit sketchy and shady. When Winston and Julia first arrived at the house, O'Brien turned off his telescreen. This was odd because throughout the book, no one was able to do that. By doing this, nobody knows what could have happened in O'Brien's house at certain intervals because he was isolated from the Party members. Also, O'Brien explains to Winston and Julia how they will not know anyone besides a few members that are in the Brotherhood with them. This makes it hard to realize who are the good guys and who are the enemies among society. Finally, the two of them have to pledge their allegiance to the Brotherhood and be willing to sacrifice everything in their power, even potentially their lives. O'Brien has basically told them they are being set up for failure because in the end they will get caught and will die. This makes the situation shady because Winston and Julia do not necessarily know what their role is in the alliance and how their lives and time will help.
1) The dream and memory Orwell inserts into part VII reveals how the Party manipulates citizens psychologically. Winston is only able to cling onto the truth in his dreams or subconscious. When he wakes up after the dream, he is unable to talk about it or put it into words. Julia is the only outlet Winston has to talk about these occurrences. Because of this, she is one of the few people Winston can interact with meaningfully, and the dream shows that. Book Two is about Winston and Julia, and the dream shows why they are together. Not for love, but for human interaction. The memory also shows Winston’s progression in uncovering some of the secrets of the Party. The memory about his mother allows him to have some sort of hope, however small. It leads him to his revelation about the proles and the Party’s dehumanization of everyone else. Orwell places the memory in this section of the book in order to illustrate Winston’s progress and relationship with Julia.
2) The interaction with O’Brien provides a sense of optimism and pessimism simultaneously. There is a sense of optimism due to the knowledge that the Brotherhood exists and cannot be destroyed. O’Brien explains that the members of the Brotherhood know minimal information in order to ensure that the organization can never be destroyed. This provides in the optimism in the situation by presenting a hope that something may change in the future. The pessimism shows through the knowledge that at some point they will be caught and they will have to confess. O’Brien says that “You will work for a while, you will be caught, you will confess, and then you will die. Those are the only results you will ever see.” This provides a sense of pessimism because it ensures that they will die at some point in the near future. It is not a question, but a fact known by everyone who chooses to join the Brotherhood. The meeting also shows how O’Brien is similar to Julia. When Winston and Julia met, Julia always provided specific instructions that led Winston to trust in her. O’Brien does this by giving Winston specific instructions in obtaining “the book”. This demonstrates that O’Brien is more optimistic than pessimistic, like Julia. Having both of these characters to guide Winston can give him the extra push he needs to start a revolution.
The significance of Orwell inserting Winston’s dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII is to reveal the depth to which the Party’s psychological manipulation has infiltrated into. Winston can only cling to the truth in his subconscious. He is remembering when he left his mother and sister were he ran away with the only piece of food left, a chocolate bar. The dream is making him think he killed his mother.
My general impression of the interaction with O’Brien is that he seems like a very important aspect to Winston now. He is the next biggest step since Julia to find that may help him with the potential rebellion. The way he turned off his television screen in front of Winston and Julia makes me believe that he is acting casual about the situation. This may mean that is is very open about it and seems more likely to help actually help him.
Winston’s dream at the beginning of Part VII shows that when he is with Julia, he can think straight. He can see clearly and can remember past events. It also shows how much of a hold the Party had on him because when he wasn't with Julia, there is no way that he would remember any of his past memories in such detail. It also shows that deep inside, Winston is still holding onto the past because he knows that the past holds the truth about everything that is happening around him.
I am very suspicious of O’Brien. If he is able to turn off the telescreens then why would he even have it on in the first place? Also, when the telescreen is turned off, surely the Party would know about this and begin to wonder what’s going on at his place.
Orwell puts Winston's dream into part seven to remind the audience of Winston's mother. I believe that eventually she will work her way as an important character to the story, leaving some foreshadowing for Orwell in this chapter. I believe that O'Brien is almost too calm with his interactions with Winston and Julia. He casually just reveals everything about the Party as well as the Brotherhood to them. This is important because it gives the audience an initial feeling of comfort. After he does this, O'Brien begins explaining to them everything they will be risking, leaving Julia and Winston to become nervous as they finally come to reality with the situation they are getting themselves into. From Winston and Julia's reactions, the audience slowly begins to have their feelings transfer and the chapter ends leaving us unaware of what is next to come.
Winston's flashback to his childhood is significant because it shows that even long before he was under the control of the party, Winston was still a complete fatalist. He did not care for the suffering of his mother or sister caused by his selfishness and if he did, he showed no sympathy. This brings Winston and the reader to realize how inhuman he has been all his life in terms of emotions and respect for human life.
All throughout O'Brian's explanation of the Brotherhood, he is very vague about their leader Goldstein, how many members there are, and how long they have been around. Though he justifies these generalities by saying that it's to protect the organization's secrecy, the way he withholds information about the history of the Brotherhood is just the same as the way the Party does with its own history. Also, because Orwell is known for his use of allusions, it is hard to not see the resemblance between the Brotherhood and OGPU's Trust Operation of 1921. If they both have the same motive, then Winston and Julia are falling into a trap set up by the Party.
The insertion of the dream is to show the progression of the novel. The memories in book one were very vague, only showing how Winston had produced some ideas on issues but didn't know exactly of what happened. When Winston first tells of his mother, he says how he has a feeling he is the cause of this mother and sister's death but has no recognition for why he feels this way. In the beginning of chapter Vll Winston is able to paint a clear picture of a memory, making the reader feel as if they were actually there. It also was placed at the time after he stopped drinking the gin and stated how happy he was with life, feeling that the gin was unnecessary. Now that Winston quit drinking gin, the thing that sucks his memory away, he is able to recall things he wouldn't if he was still drinking the gin. Also now that Winston feels emotions that he never felt before, it is able to heal him emotionally. It's like post dramatic stress, many people after they have a traumatic event forget it and it's their brain's way of hiding them away from the pain. This is what Winston is doing and now that he finally is able to face what happened to his mother and sister, since he found Julia and feels happiness, he is able to produce the memory and have it fully come back. The gin takes away some memories, but the traumatic stress of the war and the Party is what is really taking away the peoples memories.
The meeting with O'Brien is a great preview for what is to come. O'Brien is either going to lead to Winston's destruction or his triumph. Right off the bat, a reader can detect how cocky and confident O'Brien is. In their meeting he walking with Winston, and then stops directly in front of the telescreen and deals with their business there. Now this kind of confidence could be dangerous for Winston because if O'Brien ends up becoming in charge of a rebellion he could lead it straight into disaster. This confidence could also be beneficial because people look up to others who are brave and confident, so this could cause a lot of people to want to rebel. The next meeting with O'Brien will be quite important to see how the rest of the novel is going to follow.
The meeting between O' Brien, Winston, and Julia was a very productive and sketchy meeting. Julia and Winston are there to join the brotherhood however during the meeting we are told they are not allowed to know how many people or who is in the brotherhood. This is shady and sketchy because a lot of information is withheld from us. Also, O' Brien has the ability to turn off the telescreens something that not many people have he power to do. This comes as a surprise to Julia and Winston and provides for a more secretive approach to the meeting. Finally, Julia and Winston are signing their lives to an organization that may not even impact their lives. This seems like a crazy thing to do in committing your life to a not worthwhile cause. However, plans were thought up to further Winston as a member in the Brotherhood providing for a productive meeting.
It shows the reader of Winston's habits and thoughts before the take over of Big Brother and his regime. It ultimately shows his fatalism was present long before the Party's overshadowing control. Orwell portrays this by showing how little Winston cares about his mother and sister on the doorstep of death. He was neither considerate nor unselfish, which shows his entire life, which shows the reader that his pessimism is not a result of this new regime. Even though O'Brien is extremely descriptive about what they must be willing to do in order to contribute to this "Brotherhood", he does not explain anything about the Brotherhood, other than the fact that it simply exists. It seems that O'Brien is a real rebel because it seems to the reader that he has this conspiracy completely figured out and well-planned. However, O'Brien kicks off the conversation by asking self-incriminating questions, and Winston's response is plenty enough to land him in the hands of the Thought Police. Overall, he is most likely a spy.
The significance of his strange dream of his mother suggest many things to the reader. It is showing Winstons progression in becoming more human unlike the rest of ocenia.This isn't only important to show his character development it also is essential to the plot development as well. I feel that as the book continues Winston will have more vivid dreams and past memories. This will lead him to become more human and more rebellious which will continue the rising action until finally it reaches the climax of the book. All of this could have started because that he had stopped drinking the gin. It is all speculation because that there isn't hard evidence relating the 2 together, but it is very probable to have a connection. The small section of the book is more important than what it appears to be.
My impression is that this meeting with Obrien and future meeting are pivotal points in the book. We are about half way through the book and have learned very little about one of the key characters of the book (Obrien). In this chapter we begin to more traits of Obrien and we see that he is confident/cocky. There I got a feel for a little bit of both. If Obrien become more confident than cocky he will be a beneficial asset to the rebellion, other wise it will become his tragic flaw and will get them all killed
Winston's memories are becoming clearly as his thoughts about the party become more developed. Orwell also uses this to show Winston's assertion about Julia (that she only cares about the ordeals that affect her) is absolutely true, which is shown by her totally nonchalant attitude to Winston's trauma.
It also shows the reader Winston's personal connection to the Party and the revolution, contrasted with the dismissive attitude of Julia with the fundamental party teachings.
O'brien gives us exposure to the inner party. The presence or wine, good cigarettes, and a clean residence, among other things, show the reader a clear abuse in party policy. O'brien is very straightforward, he does not hesitate when Julie and Winston ask about the Brotherhood and Goldstien. O'Brien has an almost cockyness about him that drives the meeting and ensures his authoritativeness which undoubtedly, Winston and Julia do not question.
The significance of Orwell Inserting Winston's dream was to show Winston's tragic flaw and how the Party has been psychologically manipulating the people. Winston is a hopeless fatalist, which means he believes that all his future events are pre-determined, and will affect him in a negative way. He believes that he was the one who killed his mother and little sister, but it has never affected him emotionally until now. The psychological manipulation from the Party only allows Winston to remember the truth of that past that still clings to his subconscious. Julia is the only one that can interact with Winston, so that he can display his true emotions in a meaningful way. Their commitment to each other illustrates their underestimation of the Party's power over the minds of the people.
I think that O'Brien might be working for another source. I think he may be apart of the Thought Police, but tracking rebels that have independent minds. By turning off the telescreen, it may have alerted the Party that he has found more rebels. Also, the fact that alcohol is involved could be a tactic of letting unspoken words out. O'Brien has asked Winston about his secret hiding places, without Julia being in the room. I think by Winston sharing their secrets he is betraying Julia. With everything O'Brien knows now, he could easily capture Winston and Julia.
Winston’s dream and memory are significant because they show the extent of the Party mind control and how Winston is breaking away from their rigid structure and manipulation. He finally remembers a memory from his childhood because of Julia and how she openly defies the Party. She, as well as the idea of the end of the Party, is making Winston remember the past and it seems to make him realize how much the Party manipulated the peoples’ minds so they where no longer human. O’Brein seems to be too willing to overthrow the Party. He seems to confident in his plan, and everything he does. He never says anything against the Party, but lets Winston say it first under a false sense of trust. Winston and Julia trust him even though he was not the first to defy the party, or even mention their motives. When Winston suggests the place where there is no darkness, O’Brein simply restates the phrase, but Winston seems to believe that he means it. Winston is too trusting of O’Brein even though the audience has only seen small amounts of him, he seems to be too perfect to want to help Winston and Julia.
Winston's dream and memory reappearances is very important to the book. So far we have seen how much Winston wants to know about the past and how he idolizes it. So the fact that he is gaining memories of his past and remembering how things used to be is a big deal since so one else seems to know what happened. It shows that some kind of hold the Party had on him is breaking, The reactions to Winston's memories from himself and Julia show the differences between the two too. Winston wakes up crying when he remembers them while Julia falls asleep in the middle of him talking. This shows how they both view the idea of rebellion differently. While Winston wants to revert back to the past, Julia just wants to be rid of the restrictions that are placed on her. The memories that resurfaced really show a lot about each of the characters personalities and help develop their traits and the plot.
I think that everything that happened with O'Brien happened too fast and it seemed very suspicious to me. I think Winston is getting careless and is trusting him too fast. He should have been more cautious and taken the time to learn more about O'Brien before opening up and spilling his secrets. I know he turned off the telescreen, and that's something that's not done, you should never be so trusting in a world like Winston's because you truly don't know anyone or their motives. A dream and one look doesn't automatically justify a person.
Orwell inserted Winston's dream to show the psychological control the Party has over its members. The fact that Winston thought he killed his mother is pretty sad. I highly doubt that Winston "killed" his mother because he took the chocolate. The Party killed his mother his mother because she was human and felt emotions that the Party couldn't control. The interaction with O'Brien was professional and left a lot of questions to be answered. O'Brien kept as a strict informational lecture. He said what his views of the Party and what the Brotherhood really is. He gave Winston and Juliastrict directions and what to do when you get caught. Other than that we really didn't see much else. Besides what the Inner Party members have of course. What we didn't learn is anything about O'Brien himself. We didn't learn what he was like in public, like Julia, we didn't see what O'Brien is really like.
The significance of Orwell inserting Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII is to represent Winston's character development. The first book presented all of Winston's thoughts and desires, however, he did not know how to fulfill them. The audience understands that Winston can not recall or understand most of his memories because the Party has brainwashed all of the people in Oceania. Although in Book Two, Winston recalls his memories and they are clear. This represents how Julia has some positive effects on him, which motivates and helps him express his thoughts and actions. All of the hopeful thoughts Julia is expressing brings out Winston's feelings and reactions towards starting a rebellion.
The interaction between O'Brien, Julia, and Winston brought a beneficial meeting, but also suspicion to the audience. Winston and Julia are now joining the brotherhood, although they are not allowed to know who is a member and the amount of people who are involved. This brings suspicion to the audience because not a lot of information is presented about the brotherhood. Also, Winston and Julia are shocked to see that O'Brien has the power to turn the telescreens on and off because there are not that many people who are in control of the telescreens. However, this enables the brotherhood to have secretive meetings, which Winston and Julia are signing up for even though it might not benefit their lives. Although, it may benefit Winston's life because they want to bring Winston further into the organization presenting more beneficial meetings to come.
I think the reason it was added here was to allude to the upcoming events. The last time we really heard of his mother was from the ship dream. So, it was time to advance that plot, but the reason it was added in here was to first, build up time for you to contemplate why he even told you about it in the first place, and second for him to meet Julia and be able to have a reason to tell the whole thing. He was trying to remember the past, but didn’t want to remember the painful times. I think that Julia actually inspired him to remember that painful moment in the past that wouldn’t have come out if she wasn’t there. This memory looks like it was placed here, because everything is starting to happen in the book and it probably is foreshadowing to an upcoming event. Also, it really shows something about Winston’s character, that he has always been pessimistic, he has never had hope. This helps the reader understand why Winston would want to join the brotherhood even after O’Brien gave him the opposite of hope.
The interaction was meaningful for Winston and Julia, yet hopeless in meaning. O’Brien mirrored everything that Winston had said to Julia before, that they were already dead. O’Brien explained everything they would need to know which included not much. He couldn’t tell them of the brotherhood in general, like how many members and who other members were. He just asked his questions as though they were a routine and gave them no hope or encouragement. Actually, he gave them the opposite, saying that even if Winston survived, Julia would never recognize him again. Even though this whole meeting seems like it just made Winston’s position worse, it actually didn’t. This was what he wanted to fight for, the future generations. He had given up hope on the present. He, like O’Brien, was ready to give up his life for the brotherhood. This is why O’Brien is a role model for Winston and I think, even though it doesn’t seem like it, that O’Brien cares for Winston too. Why else would he have made Julia leave first and ask Winston if there was anything else he could answer? Ever since they first met, there has seemed to be a special connection between them. O’Brien had basically told Winston that he was on his side with just a simple, one second, eye gesture. And he went out of his way to set up a meeting with him and Julia to teach them about the brotherhood.
- Orwell inserted Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII because he wanted to show Winston's character. The memory is significant because it shows that Winston is, and has always been, a fatalist. Even in his youngest years he accepted the fact that his younger sister and mother were going to die, and he did not care about it in the slightest.
- My general impression of the interaction with O'Brien is that it was very uninformative. O'Brien did not give them much new information. Instead, what he did was only give them clarification on what they already knew. He only confirmed their knowledge of the fact there was a Brotherhood, and that they were going to die as a result of being part of it. He did not tell them how many people were in the Brotherhood, a meeting place, or even what they should do now that they are a part of it. The meeting was very vague.
1. Orwell's point of inserting Winston's dream was to show how Winston is a fatalist. Winston is seen as the hero in the story, and like all heroes they have to have tragic flaw. Winston's flaw is his hopelessness, he has little self confidence in himself and his ideas. In his dream Winston's tragic flaw begins to emerge from the book.
2. I think O'brien is a very intelligent person. When WInston first walked in he turned off the telescreen, Winston was amazed by it because he didn't think you were allowed to turn it off. O'brien even knew you should only have it off for half an hour. Not only that but, when he was explaining the brotherhood to Julia and Winston he said how no one will ever find out the people in it because of the way its set up. He even thought up a fast way Winston would be able to get his book to the brotherhood.
The significance of Winston's memory is that he gets is around Julia, showing that his memory works better and thoughts from the past are more vivid when he's around her. The question is why his memory is getting better around her. It might be because he is now experiencing an emotion, which is love. This memory is also significant because it will probably play a role as we read further into the book.
The meeting with O'brien goes how I expected it to. O'brien does turn out to be a rebel, and the rules he gives Winston to follow make sense. Winston seems excited to finally rebel, and that other people want to rebel as well. Overall, everything that Winston wanted from the meeting happened. However, O'brien doesn't seem to care too much on the idea of keeping Winston and Julia together.
1. Orwell purposely added to the book about Winstons memory of his mother in the childhood in the beginning of part seven. The significance of Winstons memory of his mother is to show his character development as the story moves on. In Book one Winston had a lot of intentions to rebel against the government but never did. Winston could not recall his old memories in book one. In part seven book to he's starting to realize he's full memories and get back his past. Julia now being with Winston causes him to start acting upon his rebellious thoughts against the government. She is like a catalyst stirring up his emotions to get back at the government.
2. The meeting between O'Brien, Julia, and Winston was very sketchy. They are not told how many people are in the brotherhood and who is involved. This makes the meeting very sketchy. This a nefarious because so much information is held from them and they are trying to join the brotherhood. O'Brien has the power to turn off the telescreens. This shows that O'Brien is more like Winstons and has more of the similar views. He knows more people and has the connections to help the citizens rebel.
Orwell inserted Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII to represent how much Winston's character has developed over time. The first book presented all of Winston's thoughts and desires, but he didn't know how to carry them out. The audience understands that Winston can not recall or understand most of his memories because the Party has brainwashed all of the people in Oceania. In Book Two, Winston recalls his memories through time and represents how Julia has some positive effects on him. She motivates and helps him express his thoughts and actions. Julia is almost acting like people would before the war and commotion broke out. She is recreating that same environment which allows Winston to recall his past life. The hopeful thoughts Julia is expressing brings out Winston's feelings and reactions towards starting a rebellion.
The interaction between O'Brien, Julia, and Winston brought a beneficial meeting, but the audience is now suspicious. Winston and Julia are now joining the brotherhood, although they are not allowed to know how many and who are involved. This brings suspicion to the audience because not a lot of information is presented about the brotherhood. Winston and Julia are also shocked to see that O'Brien has the power to turn the telescreens on and off because there are not that many people who have that much power. However, this enables the brotherhood to have secretive meetings, which Winston and Julia are signing up for even though it might not benefit their cause. However, it may benefit Winston's life because they want to bring Winston further into the organization presenting more beneficial meetings to come.
The memory was to show Winston has grown in the book . Book one was of what Winston wanted to do , but he wasn't sure how to do it. Because everyone has been brainwashed , they forget the memories. Possibly because of the gin. When he recalls his memories, it shows you how Julia has had a positive effect on him. She shows him a way to express what he feels. I also believe it's different because Julia does stuff that was in the past to bring back the past to Winston which may be why he remembers his past.
The interaction between O'Brien and him brought a good meeting, but we are lead to suspicion. I do not trust O'Brien, I feel that he is going to turn on them, but the feeling isn't like the one we had with Julia. Julia and Winston are now joining the brotherhood . They are shocked at how O'Brien can turn the telescreens off which leads your suspicion. The brotherhood may benefit Julia and Winston to further their acts of rebellion.
Orwell inserted winstons dream because it shows that as the story grows longer, his memory becomes better. He is slowly but surely being swayed from the ways of the party, to being one of only a few rebels. He begins to remember things a lot easier than before. Random memories reoccur to him without him seeing it coming. He is reteaching himself how to remember things he couldnt at the beginning of the book.
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The interaction with O'brien is significant because it finally gives winston a guarantee that a revolt is possible. He has always know. he wanted to revolt, just never had the motivation to do so. O'brien tells him what he needs to hear in order to get winston to possibly finally act upon his feelings. This also ties in with winstons memory growing because it could spark some ideas in his head that lead to a chain reaction of the past occurances
With the dream scene in the part VII we almost feel that it should be inn book one. There is many things to take from this dream that Winston has. We see the advancement in his memory and emotions that Winston feels. The main thing to take from this and why it is in book two in this particular part of the book, is that it shows us the guilt Winston carries. Winston feels enormous guilt that its his fault for the taken/death of his mother. This guilt that he carries gives us a internal conflict that Winston has been dealing with and also gives us more insight to his charter. This plays a huge part in Winston as a charter and that the dream also let us look how he was when a younger boy. My impression from O'Brien that he is very powerful. He is introduced to us as another figure who plays a big part in this. He gives us the impression of powerful by showing his power in his plans and giving the missions to Julia and Winston.
The significance of Winston's flashback to his childhood shows that's even under the Party's control, he is able to remain a fatalist. His mother's death and suffering of his sister did not effect him and he showed no sympathy. This reveals how inhuman Winston has turned in all aspects of his life.
O'Brian isn't clear on his views on the Brotherhood. He clarifies slightly by saying he has to protect the organization's secrecy. The way he does this is similar to the way the Party holds his own history. Orwell shows how Julia and Winston are falling into the Party's ways which will lead to failure.
Winston's memory shows that he is beginning to obtain more thought which is a basic principle of human brain development. The Human brain begins to retain memory around the age of 3. This event shows how Winston's brain is growing and is still in lower stages of development. That it shows that he has emotions. Compared to Julie who seems to have no sense of right and wrong. Winston has the ability to care for each human being and still has somewhat of a conscience.
Secondly, the impression O'Brian gives is one that resembles a paranoid old man. Especially since his behavior before he turned he Tele-screen off he was very standoffish. His possible disguised face also shows how paranoid he is. He seems to be wise enough to know what to do next, and he conceals himself well from the Party. Although he will cause some differences within the trio that now has somewhat free thought. He may come between Julie and Winston. Which would cause serious drama within the story and a major problem for Winston's battle against the Party.
Winston's memory shows that he is beginning to obtain more thought which is a basic principle of human brain development. The Human brain begins to retain memory around the age of 3. This event shows how Winston's brain is growing and is still in lower stages of development. That it shows that he has emotions. Compared to Julie who seems to have no sense of right and wrong. Winston has the ability to care for each human being and still has somewhat of a conscience.
Secondly, the impression O'Brian gives is one that resembles a paranoid old man. Especially since his behavior before he turned he Tele-screen off he was very standoffish. His possible disguised face also shows how paranoid he is. He seems to be wise enough to know what to do next, and he conceals himself well from the Party. Although he will cause some differences within the trio that now has somewhat free thought. He may come between Julie and Winston. Which would cause serious drama within the story and a major problem for Winston's battle against the Party.
Orwell places Winston's dreams in this part of the book to show how much Winston is growing as a character.. The dream revealed to us how selfish Winston was and how careless he seemed. Now that Winston is with Julia his thoughts are swayed easier so Julia has a great impact on Winston as a character.
The meeting with O'Brien seems like a very sketchy meeting. O'Brien has a lot of power including turning off the telescreens which is a huge amount of power to have. But Julia and Winston go there thinking they are joining the brotherhood not knowing much about it at all. Winston just went with how things were going in the moment creating a sketchy atmosphere.
Orwell’s insertion of Winston’s dreams and memories in the beginning of Part VII shows the influence Julia on Winston’s character. In Part One, Winston’s dreams and memories were very vague and unclear. Now in Part Two, his memories are proven to be much more clear and detailed. Julia seems to be an outlet to bring out these emotional memories out of Winston. Julia is one of the main characters that Winston is seen interacting with in a meaningful way. She seems to be the only one able to evoke these human emotions out of him. Winston and Julia’s interaction with O’Brien is suspicious and too perfect. The moment Winston and Julia enters the room O’Brien shuts off the telescreen. O’Brien explains that only Inner Party members are allowed to turn off their telescreen. Telescreens are to be left on at all time so the Party can monitor its citizens. If one is able to turn their telescreen off, that would seem to rise some kind of suspicion. Yet O’Brien and all the other Inner Party members are able to turn it off when they want. O’Brien seems to represent the superior figure leading the Brotherhood. He is the representation that Winston always hoped to see. He is the one Winston sees willing to undermine and destroy The Party. Winston’s fascination and obsession with O’Brien leads him to put his trust and hope into O’Brien and the Brotherhood. During O’Brien’s hypnotic interrogation, Winston all too willingly agrees to commit an endless list of crimes in order to be a member of the Brotherhood. Julia’s interjection of being separated raises the question of what Winston’s response would have been. O’Brien's interest and knowledge of the past, grasp of the St. Clement’s church song, etc., all seem too convenient. O’Brien seems to be the exact figure of Winston’s ideal.
The significance of Winston's flashback to childhood shows that Winston can remain a fatalist even when the Party is controlling him. He didn't show how upset he was when his mother and sister vanished. This shows that Winston has become very inhuman throughout the book.
The meeting with O'Brian begins shady. O'Brian doesn't clearly express how he feels about Brotherhood. He said he has to protect the orginizations secrecy. He has a lot of power within the Party making it extremely shady. Winston. is dying to becoming part of the Brotherhood. Winston is now falling into the Party's trap which can lead to trouble.
1) The dream showed that Winston is still human. He is capable of feeling emotion and remembering things from his childhood. Julia's reaction to Winston telling her what happened showed that she tries to stay away from emotion. Not because she is incapable of feeling but because she doesn't want any weakness present. 2) I figured the Brotherhood would be real because of how many times it was brought up through out the story. Winston was very eager to finally get to discuss this with O'brien. At the beginning of their meeting Julia was treated like she didn't exist which surprised me. She seems very rebellious so I thought she would be talking the most. Also it was shocking to know that even O'Briens servant was part of the Brotherhood.
This is significant because it shows how Winston is gradually coming back to how he was before being brainwashed. His relationship with Julia, a natural relationship between two people, is bringing back his humanity. This memory scene almost shows us how Winston used to be and his personality back then. And how it has changed in the current time.
O'Brien is yet another kind of random character but he serves important purpose in guessing. Orwell is just good like that. He seems to know a lot of things, maybe a leader of some sort. Or he may be sent to investigate Winston and his actions due to Winston's shady behavior with Julia. Hopefully we see a positive outcome to this character.
1. The point of Orwell putting the dream in the book now is to show the reader that Winston has grown. He is recollecting his memories which means there are more to come. This shows that Winston is becoming a deeper character with more to him than just the party. 2. The meeting between Winston/Julia and O'Brien is very sketchy, O'Brien has a lot of power, shown by him being able to turn off the telescreen, so we aren't sure if we can fully trust him yet. Unfortunately, Winston's biggest flaw is to trust too easily and this is shown here.
1. The point of Orwell putting the dream in the book now is to show the reader that Winston has grown. He is recollecting his memories which means there are more to come. This shows that Winston is becoming a deeper character with more to him than just the party. 2. The meeting between Winston/Julia and O'Brien is very sketchy, O'Brien has a lot of power, shown by him being able to turn off the telescreen, so we aren't sure if we can fully trust him yet. Unfortunately, Winston's biggest flaw is to trust too easily and this is shown here.
The significance of this is to show Winston's humanity. Orwell portrays how Winston has not lost his feelings and emotions completely. Julia is the complete opposite towards emotion. She sees these feelings as a sign of weakness which is the last thing she wants to show. She wants to continue to have that hard shell that people believe no one can break through. I believe that O'Brien is the leader of the Brotherhood. He has many capabilites others do not. For example, he has a servant and can turn off the telescreen as he pleases. At this moment O'Brien is keeping a watchful eye on Winston and Julia to see if they are worthy. If O'Brien decides differently Winston and Julia will either be killed or vaporized.
The significance of this is to show Winston's humanity. Orwell portrays how Winston has not lost his feelings and emotions completely. Julia is the complete opposite towards emotion. She sees these feelings as a sign of weakness which is the last thing she wants to show. She wants to continue to have that hard shell that people believe no one can break through. I believe that O'Brien is the leader of the Brotherhood. He has many capabilites others do not. For example, he has a servant and can turn off the telescreen as he pleases. At this moment O'Brien is keeping a watchful eye on Winston and Julia to see if they are worthy. If O'Brien decides differently Winston and Julia will either be killed or vaporized.
The significance of Orwell placing Winston's dream in the beginning of part 7 is to describe what may happen in the future. Winston's dream depicts the idea that if the two (julia and Winston) are caught they may be tortured or even killed. Or worse brain washed I to joining the party. He fears the party will try to dehumanize them again in order to have new party members that will serve them.
My first impression of O'brien and the interaction between the three are that he is a very wealthy inner party member and acts that way as well. In the beginning I feel O'brien is a good, kind man as he treats his guests well with wine and dinner. And having an easy conversation about Goldstein. But eventually Winston starts to feel anxious. It seems like O'brien has been watching him. This changed my impression of him, now he seems like a rude spy, or a party member.
The significance of Orwell adding the dream to Book Two is to show how Winston has changed since meeting Julia. Before Winston had met Julia, he had gathered thoughts but wasn't entirely sure if what they meant. Winston also wasn't able to remember as many things from his past. Winston stopped drinking gin after he met Julia, and as a result is remembering more.
ReplyDeleteO'Brien appears to be the leader figure in the Brotherhood. O'Brien is the only known character who can turn off the telescreen at will. O'Brien also appears to be the only character to have a servant. He also seems to have all the known information on the Brotherhood so far in the book. All of Winston and Julia's missions are assigned by O'Brien. Lastly, similarly to when Winston met Julia, O'Brien provides well though out plans for Winston. All of these factors contribute to O'Brien seeming like a powerful figure.
The significance of Winston's dream was that it reveals more that Winston is a fatalist. He is not upset by many things seeing as his sister was fatally ill and he decided to take her chocolate anyways. He came back and both his mom and sister were missing and he didn't seem to care at all. My general impression is that O'Brien can not be trusted. He is telling Winston and Julia what they want to hear in order to gain their trust. Then he gives them wine which I believe may contain a substance just like the victory gin.
ReplyDeleteThe significance of Orwell inserting Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of part VII, he inserts his dream about when he last ever saw his mother. Orwell did this to put a message behind his dream. Winston understands before the party, loyalty to family came before loyalty to the party. Orwell does this to show that Winston hopes that there are people in the world who actually love each other.
ReplyDeleteThe general impression of the interaction with O'Brien is as soon as Winston comes back, O'Brien is gone. Winston reflects off this interaction and believing that he is taking another step towards complete rebellion, and towards his own grave.
Orwell puts this particular dream in this part for many reasons. The dream signifies a turning point in Winston's character. The reader is able to see him progress from a selfish child to someone willing to give his life for a better future. The dream also helps to show how human Winston has become. Even when he was a child he did not seem concerned with love or others by essentially starving his mother and sister. Winston has become a different man. Because he can remember his mother, he now knows the power of love and personal beliefs. Winston's dream provides him with the knowledge that the party can never take away his thoughts and opinions. Orwell inserts this dream to show how far and prepared Winston has become for his battle against the Party. Winston has gone from an uncertain man to one of action and now one of concise and clear thoughts. The dream helps the reader to understand Winston and his character. He is driven by guilt of what has happened in the past and wants to make up for it by creating a better future. Orwell uses the dream to convey where exactly Winston is in his journey and to help Winston figure out what the Party can not do.
ReplyDeleteO'Brien is a very aloof character. He does not talk about himself much and makes sure to be as vague and concise with his talking as possible. O'Brien appears to be all knowing. He knows the end to the church rhyme and is unfazed that Winston knows where to meet him. The reader does not know much about O'Brien besides the fact that he is an Inner Party member. O'Brien comes off as powerful and better than those around him. He has servants, can turn off his telescreen, drink wine, and dismisses Julia as if she is not important. This may be important in the future. O'Brien may see women as unimportant or he may only be focused on Winston based upon his actions.The reader is also left to wonder how O'Brien knows all. He is almost like Big Brother when you compare his description to O'Brien's actions. O'Brien has obviously been watching Winston enough to know he would want a rebellion. He is all knowing just like Big Brother because he is unfazed by what should be surprises. O'Brien is a character to watch closely as the book progresses in order to see if he truly is trust worthy or not.
The significance is that now recalling the memories he now recalls a little bit about his childhood and how times were a little different from they are now. The dream is significant because it shows Winston can somewhat recall certain events from his childhood and maybe it will help to spark Julia and help them start a revolution. My general impression of the talk with O'Brien is that maybe he will help Winston and the Proles to get the revolution started and maybe they will be successful. Evidence from the book is at the beginning of the talk the first thing O'Brien does is turn off the telescreen. This shows that he doesn't want anybody to hear or see the conversation that is about to go down. The second thing O'Brien does is he tells Winston that the brotherhood is real and that Emmanuel Goldstein is alive and he does exist. This shows that O'Brien knows something that other people may no know. The last thing he does is give Winston a copy of Goldstein's book. This shows he wants Winston to help get a revolution started. The story may take a dramatic turn of events if Winston is successful on getting a revolution started and he wins that revolution.
ReplyDeleteWinston's dream of his sister and mother further reflects Winston's guilt expressed earlier expressed in book one, and like his other dreams this implies that there is hope for Winston to revolt. His guilt from this dream promotes his hatred for the party because Winston blames the party for corrupting the youth of Oceania. So here the dream shows how progressive Winston's support of rebellion has come. Since Winston originally felt entirely responsible for his mother's disappearance, he unrelatedly rebelled from his awareness, but now knowing that the party corrupts people, his rebellious actions are aimed at revenge. Orwell placed this dream here, so that Winston has every reason to fight the party now: his health, his love life, and revenge of his family- which systematically pushes Winston to the final step, to meet with O'Brien.
ReplyDeleteMy general impression of the interaction with O'Brien is to not trust him mainly because he is an inner party member. This means that O'Brien has a "first class" experience in Oceania based on his place with clean walls, spacious rooms, good food, wine, well packed tobacco, servants, and the ability to turn off the telescreen. It is human instinct to be selfish, so O'Brien should not want to jeopardise his well off life for the benefit of the proles and outer party members well being. Winston's thoughts about doubting O'Brien prove how there is zero credibility for O'Brien to be against the party. O'Brien could be a spy of the thought police as he thought Julia to be where O'Brien's stare during Hate could have been surveillance for criminals. Winston is suspicious of women because of their purity, yet be should be more suspicious of men for their greed. Also O'Brien mentions that he might not see Julia or Winston again, and he says they will eventually be caught and punished. This comment implies a dark warning which he insists will happen suggests that he know that either him or someone else will see to that they receive punishment. In my opinion O'Brien is too far involved with the party to be against it and his greed will never lead him astray.
Orwell inserted Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII to show Winston's progression of memory. In the beginning of the novel, Winston was barely able to remember anything. Now, Winston is remembering details of the past. The dream also shows the guilt Winston holds for his mother and sister. Although he does not really know what actually happened to them, he believes that because of his selfish, stubborn actions as a child, they were either killed or put to work in labor camps. Winston will most likely never receive real answers because he does not even know if his mother and sister are dead or alive. The dream and subsequent memory may only come back for bad events in personal lifetimes.
ReplyDeleteAs Winston and Julia interacted with O'Brien, I was rather taken aback. It was very strange to me that O'Brien accepted Winston and Julia into the Brotherhood almost immediately. When O'Brien told Winston that he would give him the book in a suit case later, made me suspicious of what O'Brien may have up his sleeve. I believe that O'Brien seemed so open to accepting Julia and Winston because he is going to do a background check on them for the next few days to grasp their true characters. If he does not believe they are worthy to be in the Brotherhood, I believe that he will kill them. If they do prove themselves to be worthy, he will continue on to give Winston the book. The interaction with O'Brien has me posing many questions for what could happen in the future.
Question 1: Winston's dream about his mother is quite significant to the plot because it shows him what humanity is. He learns that humanity was love and relying on each other. When he wakes up, Winston realizes that the citizens are lacking it. This then becomes the driving force in his quest to destroy the Party. Winston also realizes that the proles have kept their humanity. They still can love and be loved. This greatly reinforces Winston's idea that "If there is hope, it lies in the proles." They (the proles) have kept the one thing that makes humans human. Also, the dream keeps the thought of humanity and his mother/childhood in his mind. This may be important later.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: The interaction with O'Brein is quite secretive and almost harsh in nature. This can be seen in many examples in this chapter. It is certainly secretive when O'Brien hatches the plan to give Winston "the book". This emphasizes the secret nature of The Brotherhood. Also, turning off the telescreen provides an environment with no surveillance and many secrets. In addition to an air of secrecy, the meeting with O'Brien is quite harsh. The Brotherhood asks a lot of Julia and Winston. When first meeting with O'Brien, he asks what they are prepared to do for the organization. This includes killing hundreds of innocent people, committing suicide, and throwing sulfuric acid in a child's face. This is very violent and cruel. In addition to this, O'Brien talks about what to do if Winston or Julia is captured and tortured. O'Brien directly tells them that it is every man for himself. The Brotherhood will not assist them if they are captured. If they are captured, though, they are supposed to commit suicide to save The Brotherhood. This is quite harsh and mean.
Winston's dream at the beginning at chapter seven is important. One reason is this comes after Winston stops drinking the "victory gin". This could be proof that the Party is giving the people medication so they do not remember their past. Which this hypothesis could have Winston branching out and telling others to stop drinking what they give you. Another reason his dream is important is because it confirms his tragic flaw. His tragic flaw is negative look on everything. In the story he tells Julia that it is inevitable for them to stay together forever. This is shown in the flashback, whenever he knows his sister is dying, but it does not seem to bother him.
ReplyDeleteI am a little hesitant about O'Brien after reading chapter eight. I feel this, because O'Brien seems to know too much about what Julia and Winston saying. It appears that he is getting information out of them so he can stop them. Whenever he asked Julia about cheating, homicide, and etc he appeared to just be wanting to confirm that they are rebelling. And whenever she said no about leaving Winston, it shows O'Brien that there is something suspicous on why she would not leave without Winston.
Orwell inserts Winston's dream now instead of earlier in the novel, because it not only shows his memory is improving, but also shows how his character has developed. In Book One, Winston had a hard time clearly remembering events of the past. Although Julia shows little interest in Winston's memory of his mother, she has brought him to a point where has a learned to cope with his fatalistic character. Winston always looks at how the present will end instead of enjoying the moment he is in. Julia has a more optimistic personality and this rubs off on Winston. Her positive attitude has led Winston to understanding the deeper means of his thoughts and dreams. He is the mind of the rebellion and Julia is the actress.
ReplyDeleteO'Brien's friendliness and the Brotherhood seem too good to be true. My question is, why did O'Brien wait until now to approach Winston? Why did Julia have to go with Winston to O'Brien's? Orwell uses the word "irony" and "ironic" a lot while describing O'Brien's actions and speech. The Brotherhood is not what Winston and Julia imagined, but if one cannot know who is apart of it, how does O'Brien know it exists? Plus, he knows the St. Clement's rhyme. I think he's a sketchy guy.
Winston's memory of his mother and sister is not suited for the exposition because before he began his affair with Julia, he could not recollect such memories. Winston might be gradually gaining some of his humanity, and therefore memory, back. This may result from the fact that Winston is attaining an emotional attachment to Julia that he never had with his mother, most likely because of Party doctrine. In the beginning, he had no humanity. He drunk and smoked himself into a stupor, and his only emotion was anger against the Party. Now, midway through the novel, he has become more humanized, with sorrow and regret from the events with his mother, and a little bit of happiness and optimism procured in him by Julia. This can even by symbolized by his mother. She represents the true past and what Winston is striving to change the regime into, his goal. At first, she is far away in his dreams, sinking with the ship. Now she is closer, and Winston can remember her unconditional love. As his goal approaches, so does she, and her memory continues to focus from blurry to, eventually, entirely lucid.
ReplyDeleteThe first extensive interaction between Winston and O'Brien exhibits one of Winston's biggest flaws: his tendency to trust too easily. Though Winston is distrustful and cynical overall, he is swayed by his desire to find someone, anyone, like him in mind and thought. He believes O'Brien is on his side by just a flicker of the eye, Julia by an "I love you" note, and Mr. Charrington by his knowledge of the past. O'Brien could easily fabricating the Brotherhood, as there are not any actual details about its formation and condition. There is no evidence to prove its existence or O'Brien's loyalty to it, other than his own declaration. Additionally, Winston and Julie consume the "authentic" wine and the tablets, as well as smoke O'Brien's cigarettes, without suspicion of poison or toxic substances. They truly trust O'Brien and are persuaded by his impressive authority, when initially, they should be skeptical of where his loyalties lie. This is an imperfect society, full of imperfect people, and Winston is deluded if he thinks that humans cannot be swayed or have conflicting emotions.
Winston's dream shows how he has always been known to be a fatalist. He thinks of all of the horrid outcomes and is primarily focussed around death. It also shows how selfish he is and only thought of himself. He did not care that his sister was on her death bed or that his mother was starving; he only worried about his own needs. He accepted the fact that they were both going to die, so ultimately they did not need to eat. If he were going to survive in the world the lived in, he was going to have to eat plenty and think of himself before all others. This is why the dream was significant in bringing out the fact that Winston has always been, and may always remain, a fatalist.
ReplyDeleteI think the interaction with O'Brien was a bit sketchy and shady. When Winston and Julia first arrived at the house, O'Brien turned off his telescreen. This was odd because throughout the book, no one was able to do that. By doing this, nobody knows what could have happened in O'Brien's house at certain intervals because he was isolated from the Party members. Also, O'Brien explains to Winston and Julia how they will not know anyone besides a few members that are in the Brotherhood with them. This makes it hard to realize who are the good guys and who are the enemies among society. Finally, the two of them have to pledge their allegiance to the Brotherhood and be willing to sacrifice everything in their power, even potentially their lives. O'Brien has basically told them they are being set up for failure because in the end they will get caught and will die. This makes the situation shady because Winston and Julia do not necessarily know what their role is in the alliance and how their lives and time will help.
1) The dream and memory Orwell inserts into part VII reveals how the Party manipulates citizens psychologically. Winston is only able to cling onto the truth in his dreams or subconscious. When he wakes up after the dream, he is unable to talk about it or put it into words. Julia is the only outlet Winston has to talk about these occurrences. Because of this, she is one of the few people Winston can interact with meaningfully, and the dream shows that. Book Two is about Winston and Julia, and the dream shows why they are together. Not for love, but for human interaction. The memory also shows Winston’s progression in uncovering some of the secrets of the Party. The memory about his mother allows him to have some sort of hope, however small. It leads him to his revelation about the proles and the Party’s dehumanization of everyone else. Orwell places the memory in this section of the book in order to illustrate Winston’s progress and relationship with Julia.
ReplyDelete2) The interaction with O’Brien provides a sense of optimism and pessimism simultaneously. There is a sense of optimism due to the knowledge that the Brotherhood exists and cannot be destroyed. O’Brien explains that the members of the Brotherhood know minimal information in order to ensure that the organization can never be destroyed. This provides in the optimism in the situation by presenting a hope that something may change in the future. The pessimism shows through the knowledge that at some point they will be caught and they will have to confess. O’Brien says that “You will work for a while, you will be caught, you will confess, and then you will die. Those are the only results you will ever see.” This provides a sense of pessimism because it ensures that they will die at some point in the near future. It is not a question, but a fact known by everyone who chooses to join the Brotherhood. The meeting also shows how O’Brien is similar to Julia. When Winston and Julia met, Julia always provided specific instructions that led Winston to trust in her. O’Brien does this by giving Winston specific instructions in obtaining “the book”. This demonstrates that O’Brien is more optimistic than pessimistic, like Julia. Having both of these characters to guide Winston can give him the extra push he needs to start a revolution.
The significance of Orwell inserting Winston’s dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII is to reveal the depth to which the Party’s psychological manipulation has infiltrated into. Winston can only cling to the truth in his subconscious. He is remembering when he left his mother and sister were he ran away with the only piece of food left, a chocolate bar. The dream is making him think he killed his mother.
ReplyDeleteMy general impression of the interaction with O’Brien is that he seems like a very important aspect to Winston now. He is the next biggest step since Julia to find that may help him with the potential rebellion. The way he turned off his television screen in front of Winston and Julia makes me believe that he is acting casual about the situation. This may mean that is is very open about it and seems more likely to help actually help him.
Winston’s dream at the beginning of Part VII shows that when he is with Julia, he can think straight. He can see clearly and can remember past events. It also shows how much of a hold the Party had on him because when he wasn't with Julia, there is no way that he would remember any of his past memories in such detail. It also shows that deep inside, Winston is still holding onto the past because he knows that the past holds the truth about everything that is happening around him.
ReplyDeleteI am very suspicious of O’Brien. If he is able to turn off the telescreens then why would he even have it on in the first place? Also, when the telescreen is turned off, surely the Party would know about this and begin to wonder what’s going on at his place.
Orwell puts Winston's dream into part seven to remind the audience of Winston's mother. I believe that eventually she will work her way as an important character to the story, leaving some foreshadowing for Orwell in this chapter. I believe that O'Brien is almost too calm with his interactions with Winston and Julia. He casually just reveals everything about the Party as well as the Brotherhood to them. This is important because it gives the audience an initial feeling of comfort. After he does this, O'Brien begins explaining to them everything they will be risking, leaving Julia and Winston to become nervous as they finally come to reality with the situation they are getting themselves into. From Winston and Julia's reactions, the audience slowly begins to have their feelings transfer and the chapter ends leaving us unaware of what is next to come.
ReplyDeleteWinston's flashback to his childhood is significant because it shows that even long before he was under the control of the party, Winston was still a complete fatalist. He did not care for the suffering of his mother or sister caused by his selfishness and if he did, he showed no sympathy. This brings Winston and the reader to realize how inhuman he has been all his life in terms of emotions and respect for human life.
ReplyDeleteAll throughout O'Brian's explanation of the Brotherhood, he is very vague about their leader Goldstein, how many members there are, and how long they have been around. Though he justifies these generalities by saying that it's to protect the organization's secrecy, the way he withholds information about the history of the Brotherhood is just the same as the way the Party does with its own history. Also, because Orwell is known for his use of allusions, it is hard to not see the resemblance between the Brotherhood and OGPU's Trust Operation of 1921. If they both have the same motive, then Winston and Julia are falling into a trap set up by the Party.
The insertion of the dream is to show the progression of the novel. The memories in book one were very vague, only showing how Winston had produced some ideas on issues but didn't know exactly of what happened. When Winston first tells of his mother, he says how he has a feeling he is the cause of this mother and sister's death but has no recognition for why he feels this way. In the beginning of chapter Vll Winston is able to paint a clear picture of a memory, making the reader feel as if they were actually there. It also was placed at the time after he stopped drinking the gin and stated how happy he was with life, feeling that the gin was unnecessary. Now that Winston quit drinking gin, the thing that sucks his memory away, he is able to recall things he wouldn't if he was still drinking the gin. Also now that Winston feels emotions that he never felt before, it is able to heal him emotionally. It's like post dramatic stress, many people after they have a traumatic event forget it and it's their brain's way of hiding them away from the pain. This is what Winston is doing and now that he finally is able to face what happened to his mother and sister, since he found Julia and feels happiness, he is able to produce the memory and have it fully come back. The gin takes away some memories, but the traumatic stress of the war and the Party is what is really taking away the peoples memories.
ReplyDeleteThe meeting with O'Brien is a great preview for what is to come. O'Brien is either going to lead to Winston's destruction or his triumph. Right off the bat, a reader can detect how cocky and confident O'Brien is. In their meeting he walking with Winston, and then stops directly in front of the telescreen and deals with their business there. Now this kind of confidence could be dangerous for Winston because if O'Brien ends up becoming in charge of a rebellion he could lead it straight into disaster. This confidence could also be beneficial because people look up to others who are brave and confident, so this could cause a lot of people to want to rebel. The next meeting with O'Brien will be quite important to see how the rest of the novel is going to follow.
The meeting between O' Brien, Winston, and Julia was a very productive and sketchy meeting. Julia and Winston are there to join the brotherhood however during the meeting we are told they are not allowed to know how many people or who is in the brotherhood. This is shady and sketchy because a lot of information is withheld from us. Also, O' Brien has the ability to turn off the telescreens something that not many people have he power to do. This comes as a surprise to Julia and Winston and provides for a more secretive approach to the meeting. Finally, Julia and Winston are signing their lives to an organization that may not even impact their lives. This seems like a crazy thing to do in committing your life to a not worthwhile cause. However, plans were thought up to further Winston as a member in the Brotherhood providing for a productive meeting.
ReplyDeleteIt shows the reader of Winston's habits and thoughts before the take over of Big Brother and his regime. It ultimately shows his fatalism was present long before the Party's overshadowing control. Orwell portrays this by showing how little Winston cares about his mother and sister on the doorstep of death. He was neither considerate nor unselfish, which shows his entire life, which shows the reader that his pessimism is not a result of this new regime.
ReplyDeleteEven though O'Brien is extremely descriptive about what they must be willing to do in order to contribute to this "Brotherhood", he does not explain anything about the Brotherhood, other than the fact that it simply exists. It seems that O'Brien is a real rebel because it seems to the reader that he has this conspiracy completely figured out and well-planned. However, O'Brien kicks off the conversation by asking self-incriminating questions, and Winston's response is plenty enough to land him in the hands of the Thought Police. Overall, he is most likely a spy.
The significance of his strange dream of his mother suggest many things to the reader. It is showing Winstons progression in becoming more human unlike the rest of ocenia.This isn't only important to show his character development it also is essential to the plot development as well. I feel that as the book continues Winston will have more vivid dreams and past memories. This will lead him to become more human and more rebellious which will continue the rising action until finally it reaches the climax of the book. All of this could have started because that he had stopped drinking the gin. It is all speculation because that there isn't hard evidence relating the 2 together, but it is very probable to have a connection. The small section of the book is more important than what it appears to be.
ReplyDeleteMy impression is that this meeting with Obrien and future meeting are pivotal points in the book. We are about half way through the book and have learned very little about one of the key characters of the book (Obrien). In this chapter we begin to more traits of Obrien and we see that he is confident/cocky. There I got a feel for a little bit of both. If Obrien become more confident than cocky he will be a beneficial asset to the rebellion, other wise it will become his tragic flaw and will get them all killed
Winston's memories are becoming clearly as his thoughts about the party become more developed. Orwell also uses this to show Winston's assertion about Julia (that she only cares about the ordeals that affect her) is absolutely true, which is shown by her totally nonchalant attitude to Winston's trauma.
ReplyDeleteIt also shows the reader Winston's personal connection to the Party and the revolution, contrasted with the dismissive attitude of Julia with the fundamental party teachings.
O'brien gives us exposure to the inner party. The presence or wine, good cigarettes, and a clean residence, among other things, show the reader a clear abuse in party policy. O'brien is very straightforward, he does not hesitate when Julie and Winston ask about the Brotherhood and Goldstien. O'Brien has an almost cockyness about him that drives the meeting and ensures his authoritativeness which undoubtedly, Winston and Julia do not question.
The significance of Orwell Inserting Winston's dream was to show Winston's tragic flaw and how the Party has been psychologically manipulating the people. Winston is a hopeless fatalist, which means he believes that all his future events are pre-determined, and will affect him in a negative way. He believes that he was the one who killed his mother and little sister, but it has never affected him emotionally until now. The psychological manipulation from the Party only allows Winston to remember the truth of that past that still clings to his subconscious. Julia is the only one that can interact with Winston, so that he can display his true emotions in a meaningful way. Their commitment to each other illustrates their underestimation of the Party's power over the minds of the people.
ReplyDeleteI think that O'Brien might be working for another source. I think he may be apart of the Thought Police, but tracking rebels that have independent minds. By turning off the telescreen, it may have alerted the Party that he has found more rebels. Also, the fact that alcohol is involved could be a tactic of letting unspoken words out. O'Brien has asked Winston about his secret hiding places, without Julia being in the room. I think by Winston sharing their secrets he is betraying Julia. With everything O'Brien knows now, he could easily capture Winston and Julia.
Winston’s dream and memory are significant because they show the extent of the Party mind control and how Winston is breaking away from their rigid structure and manipulation. He finally remembers a memory from his childhood because of Julia and how she openly defies the Party. She, as well as the idea of the end of the Party, is making Winston remember the past and it seems to make him realize how much the Party manipulated the peoples’ minds so they where no longer human.
ReplyDeleteO’Brein seems to be too willing to overthrow the Party. He seems to confident in his plan, and everything he does. He never says anything against the Party, but lets Winston say it first under a false sense of trust. Winston and Julia trust him even though he was not the first to defy the party, or even mention their motives. When Winston suggests the place where there is no darkness, O’Brein simply restates the phrase, but Winston seems to believe that he means it. Winston is too trusting of O’Brein even though the audience has only seen small amounts of him, he seems to be too perfect to want to help Winston and Julia.
Winston's dream and memory reappearances is very important to the book. So far we have seen how much Winston wants to know about the past and how he idolizes it. So the fact that he is gaining memories of his past and remembering how things used to be is a big deal since so one else seems to know what happened. It shows that some kind of hold the Party had on him is breaking, The reactions to Winston's memories from himself and Julia show the differences between the two too. Winston wakes up crying when he remembers them while Julia falls asleep in the middle of him talking. This shows how they both view the idea of rebellion differently. While Winston wants to revert back to the past, Julia just wants to be rid of the restrictions that are placed on her. The memories that resurfaced really show a lot about each of the characters personalities and help develop their traits and the plot.
ReplyDeleteI think that everything that happened with O'Brien happened too fast and it seemed very suspicious to me. I think Winston is getting careless and is trusting him too fast. He should have been more cautious and taken the time to learn more about O'Brien before opening up and spilling his secrets. I know he turned off the telescreen, and that's something that's not done, you should never be so trusting in a world like Winston's because you truly don't know anyone or their motives. A dream and one look doesn't automatically justify a person.
Orwell inserted Winston's dream to show the psychological control the Party has over its members. The fact that Winston thought he killed his mother is pretty sad. I highly doubt that Winston "killed" his mother because he took the chocolate. The Party killed his mother his mother because she was human and felt emotions that the Party couldn't control.
ReplyDeleteThe interaction with O'Brien was professional and left a lot of questions to be answered. O'Brien kept as a strict informational lecture. He said what his views of the Party and what the Brotherhood really is. He gave Winston and Juliastrict directions and what to do when you get caught. Other than that we really didn't see much else. Besides what the Inner Party members have of course. What we didn't learn is anything about O'Brien himself. We didn't learn what he was like in public, like Julia, we didn't see what O'Brien is really like.
The significance of Orwell inserting Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII is to represent Winston's character development. The first book presented all of Winston's thoughts and desires, however, he did not know how to fulfill them. The audience understands that Winston can not recall or understand most of his memories because the Party has brainwashed all of the people in Oceania. Although in Book Two, Winston recalls his memories and they are clear. This represents how Julia has some positive effects on him, which motivates and helps him express his thoughts and actions. All of the hopeful thoughts Julia is expressing brings out Winston's feelings and reactions towards starting a rebellion.
ReplyDeleteThe interaction between O'Brien, Julia, and Winston brought a beneficial meeting, but also suspicion to the audience. Winston and Julia are now joining the brotherhood, although they are not allowed to know who is a member and the amount of people who are involved. This brings suspicion to the audience because not a lot of information is presented about the brotherhood. Also, Winston and Julia are shocked to see that O'Brien has the power to turn the telescreens on and off because there are not that many people who are in control of the telescreens. However, this enables the brotherhood to have secretive meetings, which Winston and Julia are signing up for even though it might not benefit their lives. Although, it may benefit Winston's life because they want to bring Winston further into the organization presenting more beneficial meetings to come.
I think the reason it was added here was to allude to the upcoming events. The last time we really heard of his mother was from the ship dream. So, it was time to advance that plot, but the reason it was added in here was to first, build up time for you to contemplate why he even told you about it in the first place, and second for him to meet Julia and be able to have a reason to tell the whole thing. He was trying to remember the past, but didn’t want to remember the painful times. I think that Julia actually inspired him to remember that painful moment in the past that wouldn’t have come out if she wasn’t there. This memory looks like it was placed here, because everything is starting to happen in the book and it probably is foreshadowing to an upcoming event. Also, it really shows something about Winston’s character, that he has always been pessimistic, he has never had hope. This helps the reader understand why Winston would want to join the brotherhood even after O’Brien gave him the opposite of hope.
ReplyDeleteThe interaction was meaningful for Winston and Julia, yet hopeless in meaning. O’Brien mirrored everything that Winston had said to Julia before, that they were already dead. O’Brien explained everything they would need to know which included not much. He couldn’t tell them of the brotherhood in general, like how many members and who other members were. He just asked his questions as though they were a routine and gave them no hope or encouragement. Actually, he gave them the opposite, saying that even if Winston survived, Julia would never recognize him again. Even though this whole meeting seems like it just made Winston’s position worse, it actually didn’t. This was what he wanted to fight for, the future generations. He had given up hope on the present. He, like O’Brien, was ready to give up his life for the brotherhood. This is why O’Brien is a role model for Winston and I think, even though it doesn’t seem like it, that O’Brien cares for Winston too. Why else would he have made Julia leave first and ask Winston if there was anything else he could answer? Ever since they first met, there has seemed to be a special connection between them. O’Brien had basically told Winston that he was on his side with just a simple, one second, eye gesture. And he went out of his way to set up a meeting with him and Julia to teach them about the brotherhood.
- Orwell inserted Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII because he wanted to show Winston's character. The memory is significant because it shows that Winston is, and has always been, a fatalist. Even in his youngest years he accepted the fact that his younger sister and mother were going to die, and he did not care about it in the slightest.
ReplyDelete- My general impression of the interaction with O'Brien is that it was very uninformative. O'Brien did not give them much new information. Instead, what he did was only give them clarification on what they already knew. He only confirmed their knowledge of the fact there was a Brotherhood, and that they were going to die as a result of being part of it. He did not tell them how many people were in the Brotherhood, a meeting place, or even what they should do now that they are a part of it. The meeting was very vague.
1. Orwell's point of inserting Winston's dream was to show how Winston is a fatalist. Winston is seen as the hero in the story, and like all heroes they have to have tragic flaw. Winston's flaw is his hopelessness, he has little self confidence in himself and his ideas. In his dream Winston's tragic flaw begins to emerge from the book.
ReplyDelete2. I think O'brien is a very intelligent person. When WInston first walked in he turned off the telescreen, Winston was amazed by it because he didn't think you were allowed to turn it off. O'brien even knew you should only have it off for half an hour. Not only that but, when he was explaining the brotherhood to Julia and Winston he said how no one will ever find out the people in it because of the way its set up. He even thought up a fast way Winston would be able to get his book to the brotherhood.
The significance of Winston's memory is that he gets is around Julia, showing that his memory works better and thoughts from the past are more vivid when he's around her. The question is why his memory is getting better around her. It might be because he is now experiencing an emotion, which is love. This memory is also significant because it will probably play a role as we read further into the book.
ReplyDeleteThe meeting with O'brien goes how I expected it to. O'brien does turn out to be a rebel, and the rules he gives Winston to follow make sense. Winston seems excited to finally rebel, and that other people want to rebel as well. Overall, everything that Winston wanted from the meeting happened. However, O'brien doesn't seem to care too much on the idea of keeping Winston and Julia together.
1. Orwell purposely added to the book about Winstons memory of his mother in the childhood in the beginning of part seven. The significance of Winstons memory of his mother is to show his character development as the story moves on. In Book one Winston had a lot of intentions to rebel against the government but never did. Winston could not recall his old memories in book one. In part seven book to he's starting to realize he's full memories and get back his past. Julia now being with Winston causes him to start acting upon his rebellious thoughts against the government. She is like a catalyst stirring up his emotions to get back at the government.
ReplyDelete2. The meeting between O'Brien, Julia, and Winston was very sketchy. They are not told how many people are in the brotherhood and who is involved. This makes the meeting very sketchy. This a nefarious because so much information is held from them and they are trying to join the brotherhood. O'Brien has the power to turn off the telescreens. This shows that O'Brien is more like Winstons and has more of the similar views. He knows more people and has the connections to help the citizens rebel.
Orwell inserted Winston's dream and subsequent memory at the beginning of Part VII to represent how much Winston's character has developed over time. The first book presented all of Winston's thoughts and desires, but he didn't know how to carry them out. The audience understands that Winston can not recall or understand most of his memories because the Party has brainwashed all of the people in Oceania. In Book Two, Winston recalls his memories through time and represents how Julia has some positive effects on him. She motivates and helps him express his thoughts and actions. Julia is almost acting like people would before the war and commotion broke out. She is recreating that same environment which allows Winston to recall his past life. The hopeful thoughts Julia is expressing brings out Winston's feelings and reactions towards starting a rebellion.
ReplyDeleteThe interaction between O'Brien, Julia, and Winston brought a beneficial meeting, but the audience is now suspicious. Winston and Julia are now joining the brotherhood, although they are not allowed to know how many and who are involved. This brings suspicion to the audience because not a lot of information is presented about the brotherhood. Winston and Julia are also shocked to see that O'Brien has the power to turn the telescreens on and off because there are not that many people who have that much power. However, this enables the brotherhood to have secretive meetings, which Winston and Julia are signing up for even though it might not benefit their cause. However, it may benefit Winston's life because they want to bring Winston further into the organization presenting more beneficial meetings to come.
The memory was to show Winston has grown in the book . Book one was of what Winston wanted to do , but he wasn't sure how to do it. Because everyone has been brainwashed , they forget the memories. Possibly because of the gin. When he recalls his memories, it shows you how Julia has had a positive effect on him. She shows him a way to express what he feels. I also believe it's different because Julia does stuff that was in the past to bring back the past to Winston which may be why he remembers his past.
ReplyDeleteThe interaction between O'Brien and him brought a good meeting, but we are lead to suspicion. I do not trust O'Brien, I feel that he is going to turn on them, but the feeling isn't like the one we had with Julia. Julia and Winston are now joining the brotherhood . They are shocked at how O'Brien can turn the telescreens off which leads your suspicion. The brotherhood may benefit Julia and Winston to further their acts of rebellion.
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ReplyDeleteOrwell inserted winstons dream because it shows that as the story grows longer, his memory becomes better. He is slowly but surely being swayed from the ways of the party, to being one of only a few rebels. He begins to remember things a lot easier than before. Random memories reoccur to him without him seeing it coming. He is reteaching himself how to remember things he couldnt at the beginning of the book.
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The interaction with O'brien is significant because it finally gives winston a guarantee that a revolt is possible. He has always know. he wanted to revolt, just never had the motivation to do so. O'brien tells him what he needs to hear in order to get winston to possibly finally act upon his feelings. This also ties in with winstons memory growing because it could spark some ideas in his head that lead to a chain reaction of the past occurances
With the dream scene in the part VII we almost feel that it should be inn book one. There is many things to take from this dream that Winston has. We see the advancement in his memory and emotions that Winston feels. The main thing to take from this and why it is in book two in this particular part of the book, is that it shows us the guilt Winston carries. Winston feels enormous guilt that its his fault for the taken/death of his mother. This guilt that he carries gives us a internal conflict that Winston has been dealing with and also gives us more insight to his charter. This plays a huge part in Winston as a charter and that the dream also let us look how he was when a younger boy. My impression from O'Brien that he is very powerful. He is introduced to us as another figure who plays a big part in this. He gives us the impression of powerful by showing his power in his plans and giving the missions to Julia and Winston.
ReplyDeleteThe significance of Winston's flashback to his childhood shows that's even under the Party's control, he is able to remain a fatalist. His mother's death and suffering of his sister did not effect him and he showed no sympathy. This reveals how inhuman Winston has turned in all aspects of his life.
ReplyDeleteO'Brian isn't clear on his views on the Brotherhood. He clarifies slightly by saying he has to protect the organization's secrecy. The way he does this is similar to the way the Party holds his own history. Orwell shows how Julia and Winston are falling into the Party's ways which will lead to failure.
Winston's memory shows that he is beginning to obtain more thought which is a basic principle of human brain development. The Human brain begins to retain memory around the age of 3. This event shows how Winston's brain is growing and is still in lower stages of development. That it shows that he has emotions. Compared to Julie who seems to have no sense of right and wrong. Winston has the ability to care for each human being and still has somewhat of a conscience.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, the impression O'Brian gives is one that resembles a paranoid old man. Especially since his behavior before he turned he Tele-screen off he was very standoffish. His possible disguised face also shows how paranoid he is. He seems to be wise enough to know what to do next, and he conceals himself well from the Party. Although he will cause some differences within the trio that now has somewhat free thought. He may come between Julie and Winston. Which would cause serious drama within the story and a major problem for Winston's battle against the Party.
Winston's memory shows that he is beginning to obtain more thought which is a basic principle of human brain development. The Human brain begins to retain memory around the age of 3. This event shows how Winston's brain is growing and is still in lower stages of development. That it shows that he has emotions. Compared to Julie who seems to have no sense of right and wrong. Winston has the ability to care for each human being and still has somewhat of a conscience.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, the impression O'Brian gives is one that resembles a paranoid old man. Especially since his behavior before he turned he Tele-screen off he was very standoffish. His possible disguised face also shows how paranoid he is. He seems to be wise enough to know what to do next, and he conceals himself well from the Party. Although he will cause some differences within the trio that now has somewhat free thought. He may come between Julie and Winston. Which would cause serious drama within the story and a major problem for Winston's battle against the Party.
Orwell places Winston's dreams in this part of the book to show how much Winston is growing as a character.. The dream revealed to us how selfish Winston was and how careless he seemed. Now that Winston is with Julia his thoughts are swayed easier so Julia has a great impact on Winston as a character.
ReplyDeleteThe meeting with O'Brien seems like a very sketchy meeting. O'Brien has a lot of power including turning off the telescreens which is a huge amount of power to have. But Julia and Winston go there thinking they are joining the brotherhood not knowing much about it at all. Winston just went with how things were going in the moment creating a sketchy atmosphere.
Orwell’s insertion of Winston’s dreams and memories in the beginning of Part VII shows the influence Julia on Winston’s character. In Part One, Winston’s dreams and memories were very vague and unclear. Now in Part Two, his memories are proven to be much more clear and detailed. Julia seems to be an outlet to bring out these emotional memories out of Winston. Julia is one of the main characters that Winston is seen interacting with in a meaningful way. She seems to be the only one able to evoke these human emotions out of him.
ReplyDeleteWinston and Julia’s interaction with O’Brien is suspicious and too perfect. The moment Winston and Julia enters the room O’Brien shuts off the telescreen. O’Brien explains that only Inner Party members are allowed to turn off their telescreen. Telescreens are to be left on at all time so the Party can monitor its citizens. If one is able to turn their telescreen off, that would seem to rise some kind of suspicion. Yet O’Brien and all the other Inner Party members are able to turn it off when they want. O’Brien seems to represent the superior figure leading the Brotherhood. He is the representation that Winston always hoped to see. He is the one Winston sees willing to undermine and destroy The Party. Winston’s fascination and obsession with O’Brien leads him to put his trust and hope into O’Brien and the Brotherhood. During O’Brien’s hypnotic interrogation, Winston all too willingly agrees to commit an endless list of crimes in order to be a member of the Brotherhood. Julia’s interjection of being separated raises the question of what Winston’s response would have been. O’Brien's interest and knowledge of the past, grasp of the St. Clement’s church song, etc., all seem too convenient. O’Brien seems to be the exact figure of Winston’s ideal.
The significance of Winston's flashback to childhood shows that Winston can remain a fatalist even when the Party is controlling him. He didn't show how upset he was when his mother and sister vanished. This shows that Winston has become very inhuman throughout the book.
ReplyDeleteThe meeting with O'Brian begins shady. O'Brian doesn't clearly express how he feels about Brotherhood. He said he has to protect the orginizations secrecy. He has a lot of power within the Party making it extremely shady. Winston. is dying to becoming part of the Brotherhood. Winston is now falling into the Party's trap which can lead to trouble.
1) The dream showed that Winston is still human. He is capable of feeling emotion and remembering things from his childhood. Julia's reaction to Winston telling her what happened showed that she tries to stay away from emotion. Not because she is incapable of feeling but because she doesn't want any weakness present.
ReplyDelete2) I figured the Brotherhood would be real because of how many times it was brought up through out the story. Winston was very eager to finally get to discuss this with O'brien. At the beginning of their meeting Julia was treated like she didn't exist which surprised me. She seems very rebellious so I thought she would be talking the most. Also it was shocking to know that even O'Briens servant was part of the Brotherhood.
This is significant because it shows how Winston is gradually coming back to how he was before being brainwashed. His relationship with Julia, a natural relationship between two people, is bringing back his humanity. This memory scene almost shows us how Winston used to be and his personality back then. And how it has changed in the current time.
ReplyDeleteO'Brien is yet another kind of random character but he serves important purpose in guessing. Orwell is just good like that. He seems to know a lot of things, maybe a leader of some sort. Or he may be sent to investigate Winston and his actions due to Winston's shady behavior with Julia. Hopefully we see a positive outcome to this character.
1. The point of Orwell putting the dream in the book now is to show the reader that Winston has grown. He is recollecting his memories which means there are more to come. This shows that Winston is becoming a deeper character with more to him than just the party.
ReplyDelete2. The meeting between Winston/Julia and O'Brien is very sketchy, O'Brien has a lot of power, shown by him being able to turn off the telescreen, so we aren't sure if we can fully trust him yet. Unfortunately, Winston's biggest flaw is to trust too easily and this is shown here.
1. The point of Orwell putting the dream in the book now is to show the reader that Winston has grown. He is recollecting his memories which means there are more to come. This shows that Winston is becoming a deeper character with more to him than just the party.
ReplyDelete2. The meeting between Winston/Julia and O'Brien is very sketchy, O'Brien has a lot of power, shown by him being able to turn off the telescreen, so we aren't sure if we can fully trust him yet. Unfortunately, Winston's biggest flaw is to trust too easily and this is shown here.
The significance of this is to show Winston's humanity. Orwell portrays how Winston has not lost his feelings and emotions completely. Julia is the complete opposite towards emotion. She sees these feelings as a sign of weakness which is the last thing she wants to show. She wants to continue to have that hard shell that people believe no one can break through.
ReplyDeleteI believe that O'Brien is the leader of the Brotherhood. He has many capabilites others do not. For example, he has a servant and can turn off the telescreen as he pleases. At this moment O'Brien is keeping a watchful eye on Winston and Julia to see if they are worthy. If O'Brien decides differently Winston and Julia will either be killed or vaporized.
The significance of this is to show Winston's humanity. Orwell portrays how Winston has not lost his feelings and emotions completely. Julia is the complete opposite towards emotion. She sees these feelings as a sign of weakness which is the last thing she wants to show. She wants to continue to have that hard shell that people believe no one can break through.
ReplyDeleteI believe that O'Brien is the leader of the Brotherhood. He has many capabilites others do not. For example, he has a servant and can turn off the telescreen as he pleases. At this moment O'Brien is keeping a watchful eye on Winston and Julia to see if they are worthy. If O'Brien decides differently Winston and Julia will either be killed or vaporized.
The significance of Orwell placing Winston's dream in the beginning of part 7 is to describe what may happen in the future. Winston's dream depicts the idea that if the two (julia and Winston) are caught they may be tortured or even killed. Or worse brain washed I to joining the party. He fears the party will try to dehumanize them again in order to have new party members that will serve them.
ReplyDeleteMy first impression of O'brien and the interaction between the three are that he is a very wealthy inner party member and acts that way as well. In the beginning I feel O'brien is a good, kind man as he treats his guests well with wine and dinner. And having an easy conversation about Goldstein. But eventually Winston starts to feel anxious. It seems like O'brien has been watching him. This changed my impression of him, now he seems like a rude spy, or a party member.