Instead of killing Winston, O'Brien decides to torture him. He does this, because he wants to show Winston how much of a mistake it was trying to go against the Party. He also tortures him, because if he just kills him its done and it is not painful and agonizing. By torturing him, it makes him pay for what he has done and makes him realize it was not worth this punishment. The first theme Orwell developed in all three parts if that you do not know who you can trust. This is a theme, because in book one they showed it with children, in book two they showed it with Mr. Charrington, and as of right now in book three they are showing it as O'Brien. These are all examples, because Winston feels he can trust Charrington because he allows Winston and Julia to meet in his upstairs room, and with O'brien, he tells them that he is for a rebellion and hates the capital, but meanwhile in both cases they are working with the party. The second theme that is developing in book three is that there is always eyes on you. This is demonstrated in all the chapters, including telescreens, Party members everywhere, and undercover police. So it is ultimitely showing that the people will never get away with anything because there will be eyes on them even when they do not think there is.
O’Brien is torturing Winston because he wants him to be clean. He does not want any trace of rebelliousness left in him and wants him to be completely loyal to the Party. Their goal is not to kill off the ones who go against them, but to purify them and change their thoughts to match those of the Party. They do this to keep their power over the people and also to demonstrate how much power they have. They will not kill Winston because then that will be one less person they control. They seek as much power as possible and this means controlling as many people as they can.
Orwell has further developed the theme that physical pain is quite devastating and can bring someone to their knees. If someone is hurt enough physically, they will do almost anything you ask of them as long as you stop hurting them. This is evident when Winston is in the chair that O'Brien controls and tells him everything just so that he doesn't have to feel the pain of the chair. Another theme from this part of the book is that it is impossible to know who you can and cannot trust. Up until this point, O'Brien was thought to be against the Party and a good friend to Winston. However, he is actually working with the Party and is now torturing Winston to make him pure.
Last blog of the year. I have waited for this day. Question 1: O'Brien is torturing Winston because of the Party's philosophies. The Party wants full control of their citizens until death. They want to always be seen as right. O'Brien explained that they want all the citizens to obey them blindly and with their own will. They want all thoughts of hatred against the Party to be eliminated. They want complete control of the citizens and to be powerful. Question 2: In the two parts of Book Three, Orwell has further developed the themes. He has further developed the theme that fear drives people to behave and obey. This can be seen in Winston's mind during the torturing. He is afraid of death, pain, and what will come next. He will do anything to stop the fear. It causes him to leak secrets and confess to false crimes. Readers have already seen this when Winston hides his opinions and in the other Party members. Orwell has also developed the theme that humanity is strong and ties us together. This can be seen when Winston reacts to O'Brien about his body. Winston has not been broken yet, just like the millions of proles (who have retained their humanity). Despite the torture, Winston has not betrayed Julia because he loved her, and therefore kept his humanity. Just Winston has said earlier, the proles will never die because they have their humanity and are "alive".
I think O'Brien is torturing Winston because he wants to prove to Winston, himself, and other members of the Party that they all have the power of brainwashing civilians. Winston is putting up a strong mental fight against O'Brien. He does not want to give him the control over his mind and memories when he knows what the truth is. Since Winston is a very difficult person and it is hard to change his thoughts, he is seen as a challenge for O'Brien. If O'Brien is capable of officially altering Winston's knowledge and memories, it proves to everyone that they will have the ability to brainwash almost anybody. O'Brien is keeping Winston alive to torture him for his own benefit on testing out different ways of altering the brain functions among the traitors.
Orwell has developed the theme that the usage of words and propaganda are effective in manipulating large portions of people. This theme is further developed when O'Brien is explaining to Winston about how he is insane. Winston is told that he is a lunatic and unable to process the true essence of reality because he does believe in things that are not true. However, everything Winston remembers are true past events. O'Brien is trying to use bandwagon by explaining to him that he is the outcast and is the only one who doesn't believe what everyone else does. Another theme that is progressing is the alteration and falsification of history can drastically change the way a society is ran. This is being further developed by showing one of the techniques used when altering the past. O'Brien explains to Winston how the Party has complete control over the past, present, and future. Because they are in charge of this, they are able to change whatever they want in order for it to benefit them. Also, these parts of Book Three explain how they attempt to manipulate the "not so easily convinced" people into following the alterations of the past. This is expressed by the torturous devices O'Brien uses on Winston until Winston forgets almost everything he knows. This explains two different themes that are being further developed throughout Book Three.
Winston is a representation of the mankind that fights against the greater power. He is going to go against all odds and try to defeat the bigger authority even though he realizes it will probably lead to his defeat. O'Brien, and the Party, are trying to prove they are the greater power and no small man can defeat them. By O'Brien torturing and wishing to "cure" Winston, he is taking away that hope that mankind has. If he was to just kill Winston he would be allowing him to die as a hero to the cause of rebellion but if he changes him to what the Party wants he is shows their dominance and control over the people.
Totalitarianism and manipulation are the themes that greatly begin to develop in the first parts of book three. The government from the inside view seems the biggest it has ever seen in the whole novel. It shows their great power and their great determination of getting what they want. O'Brien says how he only tortures so that the rebellious individuals don't die martyrs. This is a huge for shows their control over the people. They take the time just to torture individuals so that they can show the other citizens just the kind of power they want. They do this to keep the others under control. The totalitarianism is at an ultimate high at this point in the book. Then the Party manipulates its captures, the ones who were dead set on rebelling. Winston begins to believe that Julia betrays him just because O'Brien tells him too. After everything him and Julia have been through together just like that the Party is able to slowly change him back. The Party's strength is starting to really show the reader the power that Winston led the reader to believe they weren't capable.
O'Brien tortures Winston instead of killing him because he wants to torture Winston and watch him go through pain for going against the Party. He doesn't wanna kill him right away, because he wants to see him in pain. Winston starts to like O'brien, because he stops the pain and he convinces Winston this isn't a source of pain. O'Brien begins to tell Winston about about the party's system and he begins to understand.
The themes developed in book three are about how they manipulated words and had falsification of past events. The Party never told the full truth, they always bent it in some way or twisted it. When they would speak about past events they would lie about it or twist the truth. The people of Oceania never knew about the whole truth about the party.
As O'Brien stated earlier, the goal is not to eliminate the enemy, but to change them and make them sane. They torture him to show the true power of the Party and how unimportant and futile their crimes against the Party really are. They are not focused on torturing them to force a confession of their wrongdoings, they bring them into the Ministry of Love to cure them of their delirious thoughts. Their true goal is to become a brainwashed zombie who adheres to the Party wholeheartedly. Finally, we are shown the extent that the Party goes to to cover up these discrepancies and to truly brainwash their citizens. Big Brother ruling over the Party is easily most similar to an adult ruling over babies. The adult is aware, and can bend the babies to his will, and the baby will not hesitate.
Orwell develops the ease to manipulate and twist words to develop different images into someones mind. In the novel, it stated that as Winston was interrogated, the interrogators constantly twisted his words to conceive him as guilty of any and every crime. It is also established that humans are so willing to change if there is any reward for it, or any consequence for that matter. Ultimately, this means the weak wills of humans. In the novel, O'Brien tortures Winston because he does not see five fingers. In the heat of his grueling torture, he screams out that he sees as many fingers as he wants him to see as long as he stopped the torture. This exemplifies how humans are so easily willing to change if there is a consequence at hand. Even though this is not always bad, in this context there is no positive outcome of this.
From O'Brien's point of view, he isn't wasting his time torturing Winston. Winston must be cured of his insanity. The Party must have control of everyone to be successful. O'Brien gives the examples of the Inquisition and Russia, but says they failed because the dissenters and people they killed died without being changed. Those people became martyrs because they died for their cause, and the Party learned from that mistake. For a government like so, all the citizens must believe in the government and there can be no opposition. Killing Winston would make him a martyr, but torturing him converts him into a Party believer and therefore is beneficial to Big Brother. One theme Orwell has further developed in the first two parts of Book Three is language helps communicate and suppress ideas. O'Brien is able to communicate the ideas he wants Winston to believe in and suppress the ideas he doesn't want Winston to believe in through language. O'Brien manipulates language so that Winston has no choice but to believe him and change his thoughts. He speaks in a way that forces Winston to change his thoughts like when Winston quickly answered yes to his questions about the Party and himself. Another theme that has been further developed is humans have the capacity to impact their lives and the lives of others. Winston impacted his own life by deciding to go against what Big Brother was telling him. He disobeyed and received the punishment he knew he would receive if he was caught. O'Brien shows that humans have the capacity to impact the lives of others because he is able to brainwash Winston. He completely changed Winston's thoughts through pain and manipulative language. He basically killed Winston by taking away any original thoughts Winston had.
O'Brien only tortures Winson to teach him a lesson. He gives Winston a slight look into his future, as he experiences some of the struggles he may go through from being part of the Brotherhood. This is why he did not kill Winston since this experience would make Winston even more afraid of death, and more understanding of why he needs to be more careful when going against the Party. Orwell is trying to expand on the theme that the most convincing leaders may be untrustworthy, as they use propaganda to fool those with less willpower. This is shown in book three as Winston goes to jail. While in jail, Winston remembers what O'Brien told him about meeting in the place with no darkness. This shows that Winston may have the ability to feel safe because the jail never turns out the lights, so this could be where O'Brien intended to meet. Even though this is very convincing to Winston, we begin to hesitate and second guess O'Brien as he begins torturing Winston, with no communication of why. This shows Winston that even though O'Brien persuaded him to believe things would work out, this may not be true like expected.
O'Brien isn't wasting his time with torturing Winston. He doesn't just kill him because that wouldn't have any satisfaction. If he had been spying on him for over seven years with him building up on all the crimes, to end it so quickly wouldn't be satisfactory. If he torures him, then he can finally take all of winstons crimes and put them for punishment. Some themes that Orwell has established in these first two parts would be that people are never satisfied with what they do . This is because of O'Brien torturing Winston so much. To kill him would be too easy. Another theme would be that people will do anything for self gain. What I mean is that people will do selfish things just to save their butt. This is explained in the book when Winston decides to confess to anything to stop the torture. We don't even know if he did some of the things that he is confessing to, but he is just doing it because he wants the pain to stop . These are some themes that Orwell has established in the first two parts of the third book.
The fact that O'Brien hasn't killed Winston yet raises the suspicion to me that maybe O'Brien is saving him for something. I think O'Brien would like to make Winston a member of the Party. A major theme Orwell has further established is the dangers of totalitarianism. He furthers this by showing more and more throughout the book all the consequences complete totalitarianism can have. For example, through the whole story we see that no one can remember their history because they are being controlled and are in a state of communism.
- O'Brien does not kill Winston immediately, but instead tortures him. Through his torture, Winston comes to love O'Brien. Eventually, he convinces himself to trust O'Brien fully and is egar to beleive anything he says. This includes the rhetoric and propaganda of the Party. O'Brien uses torture because the Party wants to purify all thought in Oceania. They believe that even one person with thoughts against them has the potential to overthrow the Party.
- Two themes that Orwell has further developed so far in Book Three are: 1. The use of powerful speech gives ones the ability to completely manipulate a person's mind. and 2. With the right knowledge and motivation, one person has the power to create mass change in a society. Orwell explores the first theme when O'Brien is able to use his words to manipulate Winston's mind, which was once completely against the Party, into fully supporting it. The second theme is proven by the Party wanting to alter Winston's mind, instead of killing him, because they know that his thoughts are capable of taking the down.
1. The party members have officially gone insane and are starting to enjoy torturing prisoners. This way they can also get information out of them and use it against others who are trying to destroy Big Brother. 2. Language can be manipulated to get someone to believe something. Orwell further develops this with the physical violence the prisoners are receiving. They receive less pain when they listen so therefore, their mindsets change.
O'Brien wants to almost convert Winston in a way. He's not torturing only to cause him pain. He's manipulating Winston to think that he is the only way to get away from the pain. Winston starts to agree with everything O'Brien says. He begins to worship O'Brien and think of him as his savior of some sort when in fact he is the one that's ruining him. Instead of just killing Winston they're essentially experimenting on him and changing him into a loyal Party member. They are brainwashing him and manipulating him into their own puppet. He is becoming another robot in the society of Oceania. All his so called crimes are being twisted back around so that he'll never act upon them again.
Orwell further developed the theme of the way that manipulation works on people. Breaking down their minds and bodies will force them to bend to your every will. Using the right wording can convince anyone of anything. Using physical pain will make a person do almost anything too. O'Brien proved this he convinced Winston to say that he was holding up a different amount of fingers than he really was. By using attacks on the body and mind, O'Brien gained complete control over Winston. Orwell shows how much a person will sacrifice when it comes down to saving themselves too. It was said that Julia had cracked almost as soon as her torture began.
O'Brien and the rest of the Party want no martyrs. If they kill people who still hold their dissident beliefs, they will have set an example for people who hold the same beliefs. They become role models and heroes. However, if the Party first converts the dissenters, it is just thoughtless acts of genocide. The victims are no longer martyrs, but traitors who now are fanatically in love with Big Brother and the Party. Orwell develops the theme of the successful application of physical and psychological torture to manipulate one's beliefs. Combined, these two things can warp a person's mind and make them insane. This is what is happening to Winston. O'Brien will continue this strategy until Winston is entirely broken and "cured" of his opposition, just like what has happened with every other enemy to the Party. Another theme is that, though people die, ideas are immortal, if only carried from generation to generation. Big Brother does not seem to even exist. If he was a real person, he would eventually die, yet the idea that he exists can be passed down so that people believe he will never die, an immortal figurehead that the Party will worship forever. In this way, he is made into a god, intended to live on in the mind.
O'Brien is wasting his time torturing Winston because he wants him to be clear from any rebellious thoughts and actions he has against the Party. He wants Winston to forget about all of his rebellious thoughts in order for him to be faithful to the Party. Therefore, O'Brien and the Party are for the idea of torturing, but not for the idea of killing because their intentions are to make them pure and loyal to the Party by brainwashing and torturing until they let go to their beliefs. This displays the Party's objective, which is to present their power over their citizens by showing their strength and control over all of them. The Party does not simply kill the rebels, but instead they want to control as many citizens as possible so they gain absolute power.
One theme Orwell has further developed in the first two parts of Book Three is that trust is hard to find. Throughout the novel, Winston opens up with Julia and O'Brien with his opinions on rebellion to people he does not actually know a lot about. However, O'Brien, who he thought was a friend and also against the Party, is actually working for the Party. At this point of the novel, O'Brien has turned completely against Winston and is now torturing him so Winston can become clear from all of his rebellious thoughts. Therefore, this shows how in society there are not many people who are trustworthy enough to share personal information and opinions with. Another theme presented in the novel is a great amount of physical pain can be overwhelming to the body and can lead to failure. This theme represents that with the use of physical abuse all of the torturing that the Party does to the rebels forces them to give into what ever information the Party wants them to believe because the pain is unbearable. This is shown when Winston sits in the chair that O'Brien controls and is put through so much pain that he cannot handle anymore so he caves in and shares all of the information they want to hear. This shows how in society if people cause unbearable pain to oneself repeatably, it can lead to the failure of keeping all of the personal information to oneself.
O'Brien does not want to kill Winston for many reasons. He tortures him because the Party does not like that some people will not comply. The Party wants to kill all the traitors but not before converting them. They brainwash their prisoners so much so that at their own deaths they plead to be killed. O'Brien tells Winston the story of the three men who pleaded for their deaths because they were so infatuated with Big Brother. O'Brien is brainwashing/torturing Winston to teach him. The Party has seen in the past how martyrs lead to rebellion. The torturing is their way to resolve that issue. O'Brien tortures Winston because he wants to break the man's resolve and show him how pain humiliates a man. The Ministry of Love uses pain because it is one of the strongest feelings a person can have. The Party has found that it works better than other options. O'Brien has personal reasoning behind the torture as well. He sees himself in Winston, but O'Brien truly believes in Ingsoc. He wants to understand why Winston will just not change. He wants to know why Winston has never had the resolve to enter into true doublethink. This is why O'Brien is torturing Winston. Death is too easy of a route. The Party wants to humble/humiliate Winston to a point where he will be begging for his death and that he truly believes he has done every crime he confessed. Torture, to the Party, is key to making sure an uprising never happens. Some themes have been developed through Book Three. A theme of Book Three is language can be used to suppress and communicate ideas. O'Brien is trying to show Winston through words and actions that he must follow Big Brother. He convinces Winston briefly that 2+2=5. Although Winston was tortured prior, the words he was saying show the power of language. The past lays within the hands of those who control the present. The Party ensures their own power by continuously using language and words to keep the population in check. The government understands how powerful one thought can be in the mind. This is why they suppress it before it is vocalized and why they ensure their prisoners truly love the government at their death. Another theme being developed in 1984 is pain causes people to lose their strongest beliefs in the moment of pain. Winston experiences mass amounts of pain during part II. In that period of time he never truly thinks of Julia nor actually cares because he just wants the pain to stop. He is willing to believe, say, or do anything the Party wants to get it to stop. Winston believed that he was right in knowing that Oceania had once been at war with Eurasia, but he was willing to say that he made it up. He believed that sanity is not statistical and O'Brien said otherwise. Winston would have given up that belief if that meant the pain would stop. The reason that the Party uses words is because pain is not enough. Pain only allows for short bursts of reform. Language can allow for lifelong alterations to the thoughts of a person. Book Three of 1984 further develops many themes.
O'brien wants Winston to know that he has done the party wrong and doesn't want him to die a martyr. All rebels are tortured to the point where their views change and they see big brother with admiration instead of hate. This was mentioned earlier in the book so there aren't any successful rebellions.
One theme is "reality can be molded to someone's ideas". O'brien tests Winston and asks how many fingers he is holding up. Winston says four, which is true, but O'Brien says this is wrong and the party believes there are five fingers being held. He says Winston should believe everything the party tells him. The truth has been distorted in order to gain trust from the people. Another theme is "Confession is betrayal". Earlier in the book Winston said confession wasn't betrayal and that only feelings mattered. This was of course said because he was blinded by his infatuation with Julia. In book three O'Brien says that Julia confessed and, as a result, betrayed him.
O'Brien is torturing Winston so that whenever they do execute him, he is one of them. If he becomes one of them, he will have no pride and will not feel exalted to have committed the crimes whenever he is about to be executed. O'Brien says that during the Inquisition, heretics were burned at the stake for not abandoning their true beliefs, leaving the shame to the executioner.
Orwell has further developed the themes of fear and deception. Orwell has further developed fear through Winston's time spent in The Ministry of Love. Throughout his experience, Winston has been afraid that the pain that will fall upon him will be unbearable. Winston also has fear of the machine O'Brien has him in when he is deteriorating his mind. Winston has fear that O'Brien will not stop shocking him and will continue until Winston has died. Winston also expressed fear over what he can imagine they are doing to Julia. The theme of deception is also advanced. The holding cell that Winston was in has no windows or even no ways to see the outside world. As a result, captives have no clue as to the time of day it is and may spend their time sleeping at day, and cowering at night; They wouldn't know the difference. The Ministry of Love also tries its hardest to destroy someone's mind instead of punishing them for the crimes they committed. Most importantly, O'Brien deceived Winston and tricked him into turning himself in. O'Brien, Winston's contact for the Brotherhood has become the person torturing him into believing what he is told. Winston is finally forced to believe that 2+2 does equal 5. In these chapters, deception is the theme that has grown the most.
O'Brien is trying to elimate all the negative thoughts Winston has against the party. It has been said that the party doesn't want people to die with anyone else's beliefs but the party's. This shows that O'Brien is simply trying to get Winston back to someone under the party's control.
The themes that Orwell develops is how easily someone's major views can change. Throughout the whole book we see Winston and how he doesn't believe in the party and wants nothing more but a revolution. However within a matter of minutes of torture, winstons view of the world completely changes. This shows that even people like Winston are capable of being persuaded once there life is on the line. Winston even still is in love with O'Brien even whenever he is touturing him. Overall, Orwell shows how the party has complete control over the entire population of Oceania.
1) O'Brien takes the time to torture Winston because he wants to create a new man in Winston. O'Brien "teaches" Winston that everything he thinks he knows is wrong. He uses the torture to brainwash Winston into believing the Party. O'Brien uses the torture to disorient Winston and make him believe that two plus two could be five. Instead of killing Winston, O'Brien has been watching him for years and is determined to make him "sane". He then manipulates the torture by making it stop so Winston feels safe around him. At one point, Winston is convinced he loves O'Brien because he stops the pain. O'Brien uses the torture to make Winston trust him, believe the Party, and love big brother.
2) In Book 3, Orwell further reveals two themes. The first one is Language is most manipulative tool of propaganda. This theme began to show in the first parts of the book through Newspeak and the reasons behind it. The language was created to limit the number of words available to Party members. By limiting words, the Party limits thought. This theme is further revealed in Book 3 through O'Brien's forms of torture. He takes Winston's memories and thoughts and twists them to make Winston appear insane. There is propaganda at every turn in 1984, but word choice and language by Party members is the most predominant. The second theme revealed in Book 3 is the past does not entirely exist, but it cannot be controlled. This is revealed slightly in the beginning of the book through the Party's quote: "Who control the past control the future; who controls the present controls the past". This quote appears multiple times in the first two books to show how the Party manipulates history. It is further revealed in Book 3 when O'Brien and Winston discuss the quote. O'Brien tells Winston that the past does not exist because it is not happening right now, which is correct in a sense, but that does not mean it can be controlled. O'Brien then used torture to brainwash Winston into believing that the quote is true. O'Brien says that people need to stop remembering the past, and that is why the Party controls their minds.
OBrien is trying to see how much he can get out of Winston. He does not want to kill him because then all hope in know is lost. Maybe Winston will spill something and can lead to the end of this revolution. Orwell displays a trust theme cause Winston had trust in OBrien. Now Onrien has betrayed him and is trying to ruin the plan of Julia and Winston.
I believe that Obrien isn't keeping him alive because that he actually has a connection with Winston. I think that Obrien still wants a rebellion and realizes that Winston is the only chance of that happening. I think that Winston will break out with the help of Obrien and start a rebellion.
In the 1st 2 books we see a theme of manipulation used through propaganda and specific word choice. In book three we don't see that because the only people in book three are the the prisoners being held by the party. These prisoners weren't affected by that propaganda and not the only way to manipulate them is to use physical pain. This theme is essentially to book three because we get to see how it will currently affect Winston and how it will affect him later in the book.
O'Brien and the party feel like they are not wasting their time torturing Winston because they are savouring the feeling of victory. Orwell directly tells the audience through O'Brien that Winston symbolizes the "last man" ,so with the party's capture of Winston, they feel like they have fixed the last problem in Oceania. This is because they do not want the people of Oeania to be humane. The party wants their citizens to solemnly devoted to big brother cutting off any other possible relationships between them. Without Winston's resistance, the party can accomplish this since everyone else believes the party is always right.
One theme Orwell further develops in book three is that physical pain and manipulative language ensures complete control while eliminating resistance. This is shown through O'Brien's curing treatment of Winston when the pain Winston received forced him to think that four fingers were actually five fingers. Then the psychological affects were for him to think that the party's always right. Through the stages of Winston's treatment the reader realizes that party can physically rid Winston of his independent thoughts by inducing pain. Then the fear that room 101 ensures- makes the prisons desperate to appease the party revealing that party assume power over the prisoners' mental fears. Another theme developed in book three is that totalitarian rule has draw backs on society. For example O'Brien reveals that the party wants their citizens to have no alliances together, so that would destroy collaboration accomplishments economically and families.
O'brien doesn't want Winston to die as a martyr because then Winston will be seen as an example that there might be a possibility for rebellion. Having people thinking about rebellion would put the party in danger, and make the party not feel safe, which harms the party since they won't have control anymore. Instead, O'brien tortures him and brainwashes him into loving big brother. So that's why O'brien tortures him until Winston admits to loving big brother.
One of the themes that developed by book three was that you can't trust everyone. This is a theme because Winston and Julia trust O'brien and confess everything, but O'brien is the one that tells about them since he's a party member. Another theme is that confession is betrayal. Confession is betrayal because Winston confesses everything, even though he was against confessing. He lost everything he stood for.
O'Brien is not necessarily wasting time with Winston. He has not killed him because I think that he sees something in Winston that could benefit the Party. Since so much of the population are considered proles, O'Brien may want Winston to work directly for the Partia. When Winston is being tortured, he feels comfortable. This makes me believe that O'Brien will not kill him. We have to keep in mind that Winston is definitely smarter than the average prole in Oceania. This also gives Winston a final chance for a rebellion. If he gets into the Party, it could be his biggest opportunity ever for this. The themes that Orwell has developed are the dangers of a totalitarianism government and phycological manipulation. To start have a totalitarianism government such as Oceania can endanger your life. Look at Winston. He disobeyed the rules and now can be facing the ultimate punishment, death. With a Party being this powerful and over controlling, it is very hard to put an end to it. It certainly will take a miracle for Winston if that is what he has in mind. Secondly, phycological manipulation, which follows the dangers of government. When everything you see and hear revolves around how good something is or how bad something is, you are going to believe it, unless you are Winston. This being what the Party does, it makes it just that much harder for anything to be done to change what they are doing. Both of these themes relate back to Winston. He has to view and understand both of these themes and realize that he has to work against it to stop the Party.
O’Brien tortures Winston because the Party does not want dissent to be sensed in one’s mind as they are about to be executed. The Party is not interested in obtaining a confession and killing them, nor scaring others from the rebellion, but that the protester regret completely and happily accept their death as a form of punishment for their thought crimes. In this world, the government believes there is no other truth outside of the Party’s principles. They want everyone to live their life and die loving Big Brother. With Winston, O’Brien is essentially “killing” him. The thing that defines Winston is his rebellion, and killing that kills Winston. They are executing him as an individual so that no hint of rebellion or intelligence is left of him. O’Brien is forcing Winston to forget his past and accept Big Brother because in the end, freedom no longer exist when the mind is no longer free.
The themes that Orwell has further developed are collectivism and reality control. Winston keeps a private diary, engages in sexual relations, and insists that his way of life is the truth, opposed to what the Party desires him to adopt. O'Briens use of torture is to shatter Winston's ability to think unorthodox thoughts. For Winston to die hating the Party, he sees this as freedom. But that is not what the Party wants, they want their citizens to love Big Brother and adopt the collective identity. The second theme is reality control. The Party manages to maintain control of the people through surveillance, propaganda, and terror. They use telescreens to remind citizens that they are constantly being observed and that they live in fear of possibly being betrayed by someone and turned in to the Thought Police. By destroying historical documents and evidence this contradicts what the Party want the people to believe. O'Briens torture forces Winston to see what they want him to believe rather than seeing what is real. When O'Brien hold up four fingers and ask Winston what he see, Winston lies and says that he see five. With O'Brien's torture Winston is able to look at reality and truly believe he is see something other than what is real. O'Brien is "training" him to see and think as the Party want him to.
O'Brien tortured Winston because he wanted Winston to believe what the Party believes before he dies. They can't have someone a member of the Party having his own thoughts. That's why hr did the thing with his fingers. He clearly held up 4 fingers but made Winston say 5. One theme he has developed throughout the book is how people easily can go against their beliefs when the circumstances to go toward their favor. Like how Winston gave up some of his when he got tortured by O'Brien. Also another theme is how quickly people could backstab you. Winston thought O'Brien was with him but he really wasn't.
O'Brien tells Winston that he has a disease where his memory is inaccurate and that O'Brien is there to cure him. This is why O'Brien is torturing him but not killing him. Torturing Winston will make him convert to a Party follower eventually, and Winston is aware of this. Doing this to Winston gives the Party more satisfaction than killing him. Converting Winston and every other person like him, is a way the Party knows they accomplished what they set out to do - have total control over all of Oceania. Killing Winston's humanity and sanity will be the death of him. The Party's goal is to convert everyone to love Big Brother before they die.
Continuing themes evolving in Book 3 include the topics of identity/individuality and loyalty. The Party's actions against Winston and their reluctance to give up on converting everyone prove this. Their focus is to convert everyone to praise the Party and die loving Big Brother. They are destroying the population's individual identity through the brainwashing and torturing in the Ministry of Love. Party members are reluctant to give up on converting everyone which shows their loyalty to the Party. The Party is fueled by loyalty, and thus demands that its citizens support any and all actions it takes in pursuing a greater Oceania. For the Party, loyalty means accepting without question or hesitation.
O'Brien tortures Winston instead of killing him because he wants to torture Winston and watch him go through pain for going against the Party. He doesn't wanna kill him right away, because he wants to see him in pain. Winston starts to like O'brien, because he stops the pain and he convinces Winston this isn't a source of pain. O'Brien begins to tell Winston about about the party's system and he begins to understand.
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The themes developed in book three are about how they manipulated words and had falsification of past events. The Party never told the full truth, they always bent it in some way or twisted it. When they would speak about past events they would lie about it or twist the truth. The people of Oceania never knew about the whole truth about the party.
1. O'Brien wants to make Winston a loyal party member and brain wash him to change his rebellious ways. O’Brien overlooks Winston’s prolonged torture sessions. O’Brien tells Winston that the crime he committed was refusing to accept the Party’s control of history and his memories. O'Brien increased the amount of pain so that, Winston agrees to things he wants him too. O'Brien held up four fingers and made winston agree that he was holding up five. This shows that O'Brien is making Winston go against the party in the biggest way. In the whole book Winston realized that the government changed history and information for the people to believe. O’Brien tells Winston that Winston’s current outlook is insane, but that torture will cure him.
2. One theme Orwell further developed in the first two parts of Book Three is that trust is hard to come by. Throughout the novel Winston comes very close and open with Julia. They start to have feelings and emotions for each other. They give each other their plans and what they're going to do the government. This is personal and should be trustful information. He opened up a lot of his feelings to O'Brien. He thought O'Brien could be trusted but really he works for the party. Winston trusted O'Brien and it turns out he is the one that is torturing Winston. O'Brien is making Winston forget about all his uncommon feelings and emotions. O'Brien turned on Winston, therefore this shows trust is hard to come by. Orwell furthers this theme throughout the book by showing O'Brien turning on Winston and the lack of trust. The second theme Orwell is further developing in this book is that pain of the body will overtake the mind. A good example of this is when O'Brien is torturing Winston, Winston gives up everything that he has been working on to rebel against the government. Winston is being pushed physically and that overrides his mind to give up his beliefs.
1. O'brien tortures Winston because he needs to be sure that Winston is clean. He wants to cleanse any thoughts of rebellion out of Winston and create loyalty out of pain. The party tortures people to break them down and show the party's power. Winston isn't dead yet because the party has to alter his thoughts first. The party seeks power and they do this by have control over individuals and the mass.
2. Orwell has developed the theme that physical pain can destroy even the strongest mental rebellion. O'Brien breaks winstons will to rebel. Without this will Winston breaks and succumbs to the party. The second theme developing is that putting faith in one person too quickly can be devastating. Winston met O'brien and immediately trusted him. He didn't get to know him at a personal level before throwing complete trust at him. This is what screwed Winston over because O'brien had been playing hin from the start.
O'brien tortures Winston instead of just killing him because he wants to get proof of sabotage and other felonies against the party. This is the only reason why he keeps him alive at the moment. But O'brien continues to torture him even if he confesses.
Orwell continues to further the theme of not telling the truth and deleting the truth. The truth is still hidden if even known by anyone. And any possible truth that is still around is slowly being deleted and removed from society.
1) O'Brien needs Winston's strong and clever mind so he can't kill him. If he brainwashes him enough then he could potentially turn him into a strong party member. The only downfall to O'Briens plan is that Winston is very headstrong on rebelling. 2) Never trust anyone is an obvious theme in the novel. Winston is unable to trust O'Brien or anyone around him. Children can't even be trusted because they are willing to turn you into the thought police without a second thought.
O'Brien is wasting his time with tortureing Winston due to the fact that WInston considers himself a dead man. But also he does not believe in the Party's views, so even though they are trying to change his thought via torture, he will eventually change his mind back to the free thought that he had before he was caught. Except next time he will be smarter, because he will be able to comprehend all the party is doing, along with what the outside world is actually doing. This is due to the fact that Winston is determined, but his mind is naturally curious. And as long as it is possible to be a thought criminal, he will eventually return to that, and the cycle will repeat.
A theme that Orwell has chosen to develop in the first two parts of book three are that ideas are more powerful than actions. Ideas influence action. But ideas are spread by books, and spoken words, and used to influence uprisings, and political and religious movements. This theme is expressed not only in those parts, but in the book itself. Orwell is using the book as a ploy to spread his idea what the world will be like. In reality Orwell wants someone to see this book, and use it to stop what he thinks will come. Along with that, he doesn't look to kill people with different views, but convert them. Just as O'Brien is doing in the book, the only difference is, that O'Brien uses force, Orwell does not.
O'Brien is spending all this time on Winston because he does not want Winston to die thinking all those bad thoughts about the government. If the Party or O'Brien were to kill Winston while thinking these bad thoughts about the Party it would be considered defeat to the Party because the Party wants the comrades to always be thinking happy thoughts about them. They are trying to switch his mind over to be like everybody else's so the Party can say that they are capable of controlling his mind and his body. Themes for the first couple parts are physical control and psychological manipulation. Examples for physical control are when Winston is locked up in jail and the Party can control how Winston looks and the complexion of Winston's body. For psychological manipulation they torture Winston and try to get him to think good thoughts and to try and make him a Party member. They are torturing him until he basically gives up and think what they want him to think.
O’Brien does not want to kill Winston. In Book Three O’Brien could of put Winston out of misery but he wants to manipulate Winston’s mind first. O’Brien wants to prove that the Party can control anybody’s mind, even one who has had as complex thoughts as Winston. Even after two books that Winston has formed his ideals the Party wants to break them down completely. O’Brien will twist his mind so that we will become part of society and see that the Party truly controls everything. There is no reason that two plus two should equal five but it is the principal that is important to O’Brien. The main theme that Orwell has further developed in the first two parts is the concept that physical pain can be instrumental to mental manipulation. Winston can only think of physical pain at every moment in book three. When O’Brien is trying to convince Winston two plus two equals five, he uses physical pain until Winston breaks and truly believes that everything he knows is a lie.
The Party's goal has never been to kill, it has always been to have absolute power. To kill Winston would be to acknowledge his power (we can't get you to believe what we need you to believe therefore we are going to resort to killing you). Instead, by reeducating him, they will express their dominance. On less deep level, Orwell uses this part of the book more plainly to express his views on society. He bashes Communism and National Socialism upfront, and almost "speaks" through O'brien.
Theme in Book Three: Nothing is more powerful than education. This is the goal of the party when it comes to Winston; to re-educate him and make him believe something that he didn't believe before. It was also what the party was most afraid of: an educated populous. The party devotes an extreme amount of time into making the populous think a certain way because it cannot function if they believe something else.
The party has been outsmarted by Winston. I believe there are a few reasons for not just killing him. The first reason is that Winston became a huge threat to the system and society. For this to happen right under their noses they will make sure they can get all the information they can. The party understands how important knowledge and information is. This is to valuable to them to kill off. The party heavily relies on this to prevent things from happening in society like Winston has done. We saw this from the beginning of the book, how important the control of knowledge and know how to do so is the main focus of this government. The second reason for not killing him is they need a reason for his death. They could easily make something up and conceal it but maybe they are planning something to show to the people. The government is corrupted and cruel so I could see them doing experimental stuff with Winston to help improve control of society in the future. Orwell showed us the importance of numbers and faith. One can not challenge something like this alone. Winston did not have the support he needed to be successful. Through history in the world its shown how in order to make a change you need to have support. You gain support through rhetoric and persuasion and through corrupt experiences. In order to make a change in society one can not stand alone.
1. From the beginning of their meeting Winston and O'Brien saw each other in themselves. O'Brien sees a fire in Winston where he believes Winston can get done what he puts his mind to. Him "torturing" Winston is a test if he is worthy of joining the Brotherhood. O'Brien believes if Winston makes it he can greatly help the Brotherhood. 2. The one thought that comes to mind is manipulation. This however has occured throughout the whole novel but especially focused on in this section. O'Brien is manipulating Winston to have Winston's character show through. He believes with this constant pressure he will receive a great outcome. The second theme that occurs is totalitarianism. This concept shows how everyone in this novel wants complete control. Many of the character in this novel are stubborn and believe the way they want to do things is the best. This all comes from wanting complete control and power which is a reoccuring factor throughout this novel.
1. From the beginning of their meeting Winston and O'Brien saw each other in themselves. O'Brien sees a fire in Winston where he believes Winston can get done what he puts his mind to. Him "torturing" Winston is a test if he is worthy of joining the Brotherhood. O'Brien believes if Winston makes it he can greatly help the Brotherhood. 2. The one thought that comes to mind is manipulation. This however has occured throughout the whole novel but especially focused on in this section. O'Brien is manipulating Winston to have Winston's character show through. He believes with this constant pressure he will receive a great outcome. The second theme that occurs is totalitarianism. This concept shows how everyone in this novel wants complete control. Many of the character in this novel are stubborn and believe the way they want to do things is the best. This all comes from wanting complete control and power which is a reoccuring factor throughout this novel.
O'Brien is trying to "save" Winston from his crimes. If Winston would just accept the Party's rule and way of life, then he would be "perfect" and "clean". But truly it is not actually Winston that O'Brien and the Party want to change. Their goal ultimately is to purify all minds because there is a strong fear that any single resisting thought has the power to potentially corrupt the Party.
Physical control can manipulate the human mind. -The Party has found a way to brainwash the thoughts of its victims with physical torture, O'Brian is able to control reality (or at least the party's version of it) and convince Winston that 2 + 2 = 5 and Oceania is and always has been at war with Eastasia.
The intense control of history. -Through controlling the present, as O'Brian explained, the Party is able to manipulate all of history, and by controlling the past the Party can therefore control its subjects and also justify all of its actions in the present.
I think O'Brien is trying to squeeze every rebellious though out of Winston for future purposes. Killing him would do no good. If someone else like Winston came in, O'Brien could use everything he learned from Winston's case, against future rebels. This also makes Winston crack into becoming a solid mold of the "ideal" citizen.
One theme that has risen is that with uses of one's weakness, that person inflicting the torture can control anybody until they have complete control. With O'Brien using Winston's fear of rats to turn against his rebellious ideas and Julia, he has complete control over Winston. It continued to Winston cracking and become the Party-loving citizen that O'Brien was hoping for. Another is how the use of language can be mind control. O'Brien and the Party uses doublethink to control its citizens, and with Winston even thinking about doublethink, he has already submitted himself to the Party. It is something that the Party has created to have complete control over their citizens. Otherwise, the citizens would have the freedom of thought.
O'Brien just wants to get inside winstons mind and torture him. O'Brien must have a reason for keeping him alive. Or O'Brien finds pleasure in manipulation Winstons mind into thinking things that are not true and twisted. Which also ties into a major theme in Book 3, Psychological manipulation. The party finds a way to torture Winston into thinking whatever the party says is true. The whole ideology of the party is based on manipulating people's minds so they can control their bodies to do whatever the party wants and they are successful in their works.
Instead of killing Winston, O'Brien decides to torture him. He does this, because he wants to show Winston how much of a mistake it was trying to go against the Party. He also tortures him, because if he just kills him its done and it is not painful and agonizing. By torturing him, it makes him pay for what he has done and makes him realize it was not worth this punishment.
ReplyDeleteThe first theme Orwell developed in all three parts if that you do not know who you can trust. This is a theme, because in book one they showed it with children, in book two they showed it with Mr. Charrington, and as of right now in book three they are showing it as O'Brien. These are all examples, because Winston feels he can trust Charrington because he allows Winston and Julia to meet in his upstairs room, and with O'brien, he tells them that he is for a rebellion and hates the capital, but meanwhile in both cases they are working with the party. The second theme that is developing in book three is that there is always eyes on you. This is demonstrated in all the chapters, including telescreens, Party members everywhere, and undercover police. So it is ultimitely showing that the people will never get away with anything because there will be eyes on them even when they do not think there is.
O’Brien is torturing Winston because he wants him to be clean. He does not want any trace of rebelliousness left in him and wants him to be completely loyal to the Party. Their goal is not to kill off the ones who go against them, but to purify them and change their thoughts to match those of the Party. They do this to keep their power over the people and also to demonstrate how much power they have. They will not kill Winston because then that will be one less person they control. They seek as much power as possible and this means controlling as many people as they can.
ReplyDeleteOrwell has further developed the theme that physical pain is quite devastating and can bring someone to their knees. If someone is hurt enough physically, they will do almost anything you ask of them as long as you stop hurting them. This is evident when Winston is in the chair that O'Brien controls and tells him everything just so that he doesn't have to feel the pain of the chair. Another theme from this part of the book is that it is impossible to know who you can and cannot trust. Up until this point, O'Brien was thought to be against the Party and a good friend to Winston. However, he is actually working with the Party and is now torturing Winston to make him pure.
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ReplyDeleteQuestion 1: O'Brien is torturing Winston because of the Party's philosophies. The Party wants full control of their citizens until death. They want to always be seen as right. O'Brien explained that they want all the citizens to obey them blindly and with their own will. They want all thoughts of hatred against the Party to be eliminated. They want complete control of the citizens and to be powerful.
Question 2: In the two parts of Book Three, Orwell has further developed the themes. He has further developed the theme that fear drives people to behave and obey. This can be seen in Winston's mind during the torturing. He is afraid of death, pain, and what will come next. He will do anything to stop the fear. It causes him to leak secrets and confess to false crimes. Readers have already seen this when Winston hides his opinions and in the other Party members. Orwell has also developed the theme that humanity is strong and ties us together. This can be seen when Winston reacts to O'Brien about his body. Winston has not been broken yet, just like the millions of proles (who have retained their humanity). Despite the torture, Winston has not betrayed Julia because he loved her, and therefore kept his humanity. Just Winston has said earlier, the proles will never die because they have their humanity and are "alive".
I think O'Brien is torturing Winston because he wants to prove to Winston, himself, and other members of the Party that they all have the power of brainwashing civilians. Winston is putting up a strong mental fight against O'Brien. He does not want to give him the control over his mind and memories when he knows what the truth is. Since Winston is a very difficult person and it is hard to change his thoughts, he is seen as a challenge for O'Brien. If O'Brien is capable of officially altering Winston's knowledge and memories, it proves to everyone that they will have the ability to brainwash almost anybody. O'Brien is keeping Winston alive to torture him for his own benefit on testing out different ways of altering the brain functions among the traitors.
ReplyDeleteOrwell has developed the theme that the usage of words and propaganda are effective in manipulating large portions of people. This theme is further developed when O'Brien is explaining to Winston about how he is insane. Winston is told that he is a lunatic and unable to process the true essence of reality because he does believe in things that are not true. However, everything Winston remembers are true past events. O'Brien is trying to use bandwagon by explaining to him that he is the outcast and is the only one who doesn't believe what everyone else does. Another theme that is progressing is the alteration and falsification of history can drastically change the way a society is ran. This is being further developed by showing one of the techniques used when altering the past. O'Brien explains to Winston how the Party has complete control over the past, present, and future. Because they are in charge of this, they are able to change whatever they want in order for it to benefit them. Also, these parts of Book Three explain how they attempt to manipulate the "not so easily convinced" people into following the alterations of the past. This is expressed by the torturous devices O'Brien uses on Winston until Winston forgets almost everything he knows. This explains two different themes that are being further developed throughout Book Three.
Winston is a representation of the mankind that fights against the greater power. He is going to go against all odds and try to defeat the bigger authority even though he realizes it will probably lead to his defeat. O'Brien, and the Party, are trying to prove they are the greater power and no small man can defeat them. By O'Brien torturing and wishing to "cure" Winston, he is taking away that hope that mankind has. If he was to just kill Winston he would be allowing him to die as a hero to the cause of rebellion but if he changes him to what the Party wants he is shows their dominance and control over the people.
ReplyDeleteTotalitarianism and manipulation are the themes that greatly begin to develop in the first parts of book three. The government from the inside view seems the biggest it has ever seen in the whole novel. It shows their great power and their great determination of getting what they want. O'Brien says how he only tortures so that the rebellious individuals don't die martyrs. This is a huge for shows their control over the people. They take the time just to torture individuals so that they can show the other citizens just the kind of power they want. They do this to keep the others under control. The totalitarianism is at an ultimate high at this point in the book. Then the Party manipulates its captures, the ones who were dead set on rebelling. Winston begins to believe that Julia betrays him just because O'Brien tells him too. After everything him and Julia have been through together just like that the Party is able to slowly change him back. The Party's strength is starting to really show the reader the power that Winston led the reader to believe they weren't capable.
O'Brien tortures Winston instead of killing him because he wants to torture Winston and watch him go through pain for going against the Party. He doesn't wanna kill him right away, because he wants to see him in pain. Winston starts to like O'brien, because he stops the pain and he convinces Winston this isn't a source of pain. O'Brien begins to tell Winston about about the party's system and he begins to understand.
ReplyDeleteThe themes developed in book three are about how they manipulated words and had falsification of past events. The Party never told the full truth, they always bent it in some way or twisted it. When they would speak about past events they would lie about it or twist the truth. The people of Oceania never knew about the whole truth about the party.
As O'Brien stated earlier, the goal is not to eliminate the enemy, but to change them and make them sane. They torture him to show the true power of the Party and how unimportant and futile their crimes against the Party really are. They are not focused on torturing them to force a confession of their wrongdoings, they bring them into the Ministry of Love to cure them of their delirious thoughts. Their true goal is to become a brainwashed zombie who adheres to the Party wholeheartedly. Finally, we are shown the extent that the Party goes to to cover up these discrepancies and to truly brainwash their citizens. Big Brother ruling over the Party is easily most similar to an adult ruling over babies. The adult is aware, and can bend the babies to his will, and the baby will not hesitate.
ReplyDeleteOrwell develops the ease to manipulate and twist words to develop different images into someones mind. In the novel, it stated that as Winston was interrogated, the interrogators constantly twisted his words to conceive him as guilty of any and every crime. It is also established that humans are so willing to change if there is any reward for it, or any consequence for that matter. Ultimately, this means the weak wills of humans. In the novel, O'Brien tortures Winston because he does not see five fingers. In the heat of his grueling torture, he screams out that he sees as many fingers as he wants him to see as long as he stopped the torture. This exemplifies how humans are so easily willing to change if there is a consequence at hand. Even though this is not always bad, in this context there is no positive outcome of this.
From O'Brien's point of view, he isn't wasting his time torturing Winston. Winston must be cured of his insanity. The Party must have control of everyone to be successful. O'Brien gives the examples of the Inquisition and Russia, but says they failed because the dissenters and people they killed died without being changed. Those people became martyrs because they died for their cause, and the Party learned from that mistake. For a government like so, all the citizens must believe in the government and there can be no opposition. Killing Winston would make him a martyr, but torturing him converts him into a Party believer and therefore is beneficial to Big Brother.
ReplyDeleteOne theme Orwell has further developed in the first two parts of Book Three is language helps communicate and suppress ideas. O'Brien is able to communicate the ideas he wants Winston to believe in and suppress the ideas he doesn't want Winston to believe in through language. O'Brien manipulates language so that Winston has no choice but to believe him and change his thoughts. He speaks in a way that forces Winston to change his thoughts like when Winston quickly answered yes to his questions about the Party and himself. Another theme that has been further developed is humans have the capacity to impact their lives and the lives of others. Winston impacted his own life by deciding to go against what Big Brother was telling him. He disobeyed and received the punishment he knew he would receive if he was caught. O'Brien shows that humans have the capacity to impact the lives of others because he is able to brainwash Winston. He completely changed Winston's thoughts through pain and manipulative language. He basically killed Winston by taking away any original thoughts Winston had.
O'Brien only tortures Winson to teach him a lesson. He gives Winston a slight look into his future, as he experiences some of the struggles he may go through from being part of the Brotherhood. This is why he did not kill Winston since this experience would make Winston even more afraid of death, and more understanding of why he needs to be more careful when going against the Party. Orwell is trying to expand on the theme that the most convincing leaders may be untrustworthy, as they use propaganda to fool those with less willpower. This is shown in book three as Winston goes to jail. While in jail, Winston remembers what O'Brien told him about meeting in the place with no darkness. This shows that Winston may have the ability to feel safe because the jail never turns out the lights, so this could be where O'Brien intended to meet. Even though this is very convincing to Winston, we begin to hesitate and second guess O'Brien as he begins torturing Winston, with no communication of why. This shows Winston that even though O'Brien persuaded him to believe things would work out, this may not be true like expected.
ReplyDeleteO'Brien isn't wasting his time with torturing Winston. He doesn't just kill him because that wouldn't have any satisfaction. If he had been spying on him for over seven years with him building up on all the crimes, to end it so quickly wouldn't be satisfactory. If he torures him, then he can finally take all of winstons crimes and put them for punishment.
ReplyDeleteSome themes that Orwell has established in these first two parts would be that people are never satisfied with what they do . This is because of O'Brien torturing Winston so much. To kill him would be too easy. Another theme would be that people will do anything for self gain. What I mean is that people will do selfish things just to save their butt. This is explained in the book when Winston decides to confess to anything to stop the torture. We don't even know if he did some of the things that he is confessing to, but he is just doing it because he wants the pain to stop . These are some themes that Orwell has established in the first two parts of the third book.
The fact that O'Brien hasn't killed Winston yet raises the suspicion to me that maybe O'Brien is saving him for something. I think O'Brien would like to make Winston a member of the Party. A major theme Orwell has further established is the dangers of totalitarianism. He furthers this by showing more and more throughout the book all the consequences complete totalitarianism can have. For example, through the whole story we see that no one can remember their history because they are being controlled and are in a state of communism.
ReplyDelete- O'Brien does not kill Winston immediately, but instead tortures him. Through his torture, Winston comes to love O'Brien. Eventually, he convinces himself to trust O'Brien fully and is egar to beleive anything he says. This includes the rhetoric and propaganda of the Party. O'Brien uses torture because the Party wants to purify all thought in Oceania. They believe that even one person with thoughts against them has the potential to overthrow the Party.
ReplyDelete- Two themes that Orwell has further developed so far in Book Three are: 1. The use of powerful speech gives ones the ability to completely manipulate a person's mind. and 2. With the right knowledge and motivation, one person has the power to create mass change in a society. Orwell explores the first theme when O'Brien is able to use his words to manipulate Winston's mind, which was once completely against the Party, into fully supporting it. The second theme is proven by the Party wanting to alter Winston's mind, instead of killing him, because they know that his thoughts are capable of taking the down.
1. The party members have officially gone insane and are starting to enjoy torturing prisoners. This way they can also get information out of them and use it against others who are trying to destroy Big Brother.
ReplyDelete2. Language can be manipulated to get someone to believe something. Orwell further develops this with the physical violence the prisoners are receiving. They receive less pain when they listen so therefore, their mindsets change.
O'Brien wants to almost convert Winston in a way. He's not torturing only to cause him pain. He's manipulating Winston to think that he is the only way to get away from the pain. Winston starts to agree with everything O'Brien says. He begins to worship O'Brien and think of him as his savior of some sort when in fact he is the one that's ruining him. Instead of just killing Winston they're essentially experimenting on him and changing him into a loyal Party member. They are brainwashing him and manipulating him into their own puppet. He is becoming another robot in the society of Oceania. All his so called crimes are being twisted back around so that he'll never act upon them again.
ReplyDeleteOrwell further developed the theme of the way that manipulation works on people. Breaking down their minds and bodies will force them to bend to your every will. Using the right wording can convince anyone of anything. Using physical pain will make a person do almost anything too. O'Brien proved this he convinced Winston to say that he was holding up a different amount of fingers than he really was. By using attacks on the body and mind, O'Brien gained complete control over Winston. Orwell shows how much a person will sacrifice when it comes down to saving themselves too. It was said that Julia had cracked almost as soon as her torture began.
O'Brien and the rest of the Party want no martyrs. If they kill people who still hold their dissident beliefs, they will have set an example for people who hold the same beliefs. They become role models and heroes. However, if the Party first converts the dissenters, it is just thoughtless acts of genocide. The victims are no longer martyrs, but traitors who now are fanatically in love with Big Brother and the Party.
ReplyDeleteOrwell develops the theme of the successful application of physical and psychological torture to manipulate one's beliefs. Combined, these two things can warp a person's mind and make them insane. This is what is happening to Winston. O'Brien will continue this strategy until Winston is entirely broken and "cured" of his opposition, just like what has happened with every other enemy to the Party. Another theme is that, though people die, ideas are immortal, if only carried from generation to generation. Big Brother does not seem to even exist. If he was a real person, he would eventually die, yet the idea that he exists can be passed down so that people believe he will never die, an immortal figurehead that the Party will worship forever. In this way, he is made into a god, intended to live on in the mind.
O'Brien is wasting his time torturing Winston because he wants him to be clear from any rebellious thoughts and actions he has against the Party. He wants Winston to forget about all of his rebellious thoughts in order for him to be faithful to the Party. Therefore, O'Brien and the Party are for the idea of torturing, but not for the idea of killing because their intentions are to make them pure and loyal to the Party by brainwashing and torturing until they let go to their beliefs. This displays the Party's objective, which is to present their power over their citizens by showing their strength and control over all of them. The Party does not simply kill the rebels, but instead they want to control as many citizens as possible so they gain absolute power.
ReplyDeleteOne theme Orwell has further developed in the first two parts of Book Three is that trust is hard to find. Throughout the novel, Winston opens up with Julia and O'Brien with his opinions on rebellion to people he does not actually know a lot about. However, O'Brien, who he thought was a friend and also against the Party, is actually working for the Party. At this point of the novel, O'Brien has turned completely against Winston and is now torturing him so Winston can become clear from all of his rebellious thoughts. Therefore, this shows how in society there are not many people who are trustworthy enough to share personal information and opinions with. Another theme presented in the novel is a great amount of physical pain can be overwhelming to the body and can lead to failure. This theme represents that with the use of physical abuse all of the torturing that the Party does to the rebels forces them to give into what ever information the Party wants them to believe because the pain is unbearable. This is shown when Winston sits in the chair that O'Brien controls and is put through so much pain that he cannot handle anymore so he caves in and shares all of the information they want to hear. This shows how in society if people cause unbearable pain to oneself repeatably, it can lead to the failure of keeping all of the personal information to oneself.
O'Brien does not want to kill Winston for many reasons. He tortures him because the Party does not like that some people will not comply. The Party wants to kill all the traitors but not before converting them. They brainwash their prisoners so much so that at their own deaths they plead to be killed. O'Brien tells Winston the story of the three men who pleaded for their deaths because they were so infatuated with Big Brother. O'Brien is brainwashing/torturing Winston to teach him. The Party has seen in the past how martyrs lead to rebellion. The torturing is their way to resolve that issue. O'Brien tortures Winston because he wants to break the man's resolve and show him how pain humiliates a man. The Ministry of Love uses pain because it is one of the strongest feelings a person can have. The Party has found that it works better than other options. O'Brien has personal reasoning behind the torture as well. He sees himself in Winston, but O'Brien truly believes in Ingsoc. He wants to understand why Winston will just not change. He wants to know why Winston has never had the resolve to enter into true doublethink. This is why O'Brien is torturing Winston. Death is too easy of a route. The Party wants to humble/humiliate Winston to a point where he will be begging for his death and that he truly believes he has done every crime he confessed. Torture, to the Party, is key to making sure an uprising never happens.
ReplyDeleteSome themes have been developed through Book Three. A theme of Book Three is language can be used to suppress and communicate ideas. O'Brien is trying to show Winston through words and actions that he must follow Big Brother. He convinces Winston briefly that 2+2=5. Although Winston was tortured prior, the words he was saying show the power of language. The past lays within the hands of those who control the present. The Party ensures their own power by continuously using language and words to keep the population in check. The government understands how powerful one thought can be in the mind. This is why they suppress it before it is vocalized and why they ensure their prisoners truly love the government at their death. Another theme being developed in 1984 is pain causes people to lose their strongest beliefs in the moment of pain. Winston experiences mass amounts of pain during part II. In that period of time he never truly thinks of Julia nor actually cares because he just wants the pain to stop. He is willing to believe, say, or do anything the Party wants to get it to stop. Winston believed that he was right in knowing that Oceania had once been at war with Eurasia, but he was willing to say that he made it up. He believed that sanity is not statistical and O'Brien said otherwise. Winston would have given up that belief if that meant the pain would stop. The reason that the Party uses words is because pain is not enough. Pain only allows for short bursts of reform. Language can allow for lifelong alterations to the thoughts of a person. Book Three of 1984 further develops many themes.
O'brien wants Winston to know that he has done the party wrong and doesn't want him to die a martyr. All rebels are tortured to the point where their views change and they see big brother with admiration instead of hate. This was mentioned earlier in the book so there aren't any successful rebellions.
ReplyDeleteOne theme is "reality can be molded to someone's ideas". O'brien tests Winston and asks how many fingers he is holding up. Winston says four, which is true, but O'Brien says this is wrong and the party believes there are five fingers being held. He says Winston should believe everything the party tells him. The truth has been distorted in order to gain trust from the people. Another theme is "Confession is betrayal". Earlier in the book Winston said confession wasn't betrayal and that only feelings mattered. This was of course said because he was blinded by his infatuation with Julia. In book three O'Brien says that Julia confessed and, as a result, betrayed him.
O'Brien is torturing Winston so that whenever they do execute him, he is one of them. If he becomes one of them, he will have no pride and will not feel exalted to have committed the crimes whenever he is about to be executed. O'Brien says that during the Inquisition, heretics were burned at the stake for not abandoning their true beliefs, leaving the shame to the executioner.
ReplyDeleteOrwell has further developed the themes of fear and deception. Orwell has further developed fear through Winston's time spent in The Ministry of Love. Throughout his experience, Winston has been afraid that the pain that will fall upon him will be unbearable. Winston also has fear of the machine O'Brien has him in when he is deteriorating his mind. Winston has fear that O'Brien will not stop shocking him and will continue until Winston has died. Winston also expressed fear over what he can imagine they are doing to Julia. The theme of deception is also advanced. The holding cell that Winston was in has no windows or even no ways to see the outside world. As a result, captives have no clue as to the time of day it is and may spend their time sleeping at day, and cowering at night; They wouldn't know the difference. The Ministry of Love also tries its hardest to destroy someone's mind instead of punishing them for the crimes they committed. Most importantly, O'Brien deceived Winston and tricked him into turning himself in. O'Brien, Winston's contact for the Brotherhood has become the person torturing him into believing what he is told. Winston is finally forced to believe that 2+2 does equal 5. In these chapters, deception is the theme that has grown the most.
O'Brien is trying to elimate all the negative thoughts Winston has against the party. It has been said that the party doesn't want people to die with anyone else's beliefs but the party's. This shows that O'Brien is simply trying to get Winston back to someone under the party's control.
ReplyDeleteThe themes that Orwell develops is how easily someone's major views can change. Throughout the whole book we see Winston and how he doesn't believe in the party and wants nothing more but a revolution. However within a matter of minutes of torture, winstons view of the world completely changes. This shows that even people like Winston are capable of being persuaded once there life is on the line. Winston even still is in love with O'Brien even whenever he is touturing him. Overall, Orwell shows how the party has complete control over the entire population of Oceania.
1) O'Brien takes the time to torture Winston because he wants to create a new man in Winston. O'Brien "teaches" Winston that everything he thinks he knows is wrong. He uses the torture to brainwash Winston into believing the Party. O'Brien uses the torture to disorient Winston and make him believe that two plus two could be five. Instead of killing Winston, O'Brien has been watching him for years and is determined to make him "sane". He then manipulates the torture by making it stop so Winston feels safe around him. At one point, Winston is convinced he loves O'Brien because he stops the pain. O'Brien uses the torture to make Winston trust him, believe the Party, and love big brother.
ReplyDelete2) In Book 3, Orwell further reveals two themes. The first one is Language is most manipulative tool of propaganda. This theme began to show in the first parts of the book through Newspeak and the reasons behind it. The language was created to limit the number of words available to Party members. By limiting words, the Party limits thought. This theme is further revealed in Book 3 through O'Brien's forms of torture. He takes Winston's memories and thoughts and twists them to make Winston appear insane. There is propaganda at every turn in 1984, but word choice and language by Party members is the most predominant. The second theme revealed in Book 3 is the past does not entirely exist, but it cannot be controlled. This is revealed slightly in the beginning of the book through the Party's quote: "Who control the past control the future; who controls the present controls the past". This quote appears multiple times in the first two books to show how the Party manipulates history. It is further revealed in Book 3 when O'Brien and Winston discuss the quote. O'Brien tells Winston that the past does not exist because it is not happening right now, which is correct in a sense, but that does not mean it can be controlled. O'Brien then used torture to brainwash Winston into believing that the quote is true. O'Brien says that people need to stop remembering the past, and that is why the Party controls their minds.
OBrien is trying to see how much he can get out of Winston. He does not want to kill him because then all hope in know is lost. Maybe Winston will spill something and can lead to the end of this revolution. Orwell displays a trust theme cause Winston had trust in OBrien. Now Onrien has betrayed him and is trying to ruin the plan of Julia and Winston.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Obrien isn't keeping him alive because that he actually has a connection with Winston. I think that Obrien still wants a rebellion and realizes that Winston is the only chance of that happening. I think that Winston will break out with the help of Obrien and start a rebellion.
ReplyDeleteIn the 1st 2 books we see a theme of manipulation used through propaganda and specific word choice. In book three we don't see that because the only people in book three are the the prisoners being held by the party. These prisoners weren't affected by that propaganda and not the only way to manipulate them is to use physical pain. This theme is essentially to book three because we get to see how it will currently affect Winston and how it will affect him later in the book.
O'Brien and the party feel like they are not wasting their time torturing Winston because they are savouring the feeling of victory. Orwell directly tells the audience through O'Brien that Winston symbolizes the "last man" ,so with the party's capture of Winston, they feel like they have fixed the last problem in Oceania. This is because they do not want the people of Oeania to be humane. The party wants their citizens to solemnly devoted to big brother cutting off any other possible relationships between them. Without Winston's resistance, the party can accomplish this since everyone else believes the party is always right.
ReplyDeleteOne theme Orwell further develops in book three is that physical pain and manipulative language ensures complete control while eliminating resistance. This is shown through O'Brien's curing treatment of Winston when the pain Winston received forced him to think that four fingers were actually five fingers. Then the psychological affects were for him to think that the party's always right. Through the stages of Winston's treatment the reader realizes that party can physically rid Winston of his independent thoughts by inducing pain. Then the fear that room 101 ensures- makes the prisons desperate to appease the party revealing that party assume power over the prisoners' mental fears. Another theme developed in book three is that totalitarian rule has draw backs on society. For example O'Brien reveals that the party wants their citizens to have no alliances together, so that would destroy collaboration accomplishments economically and families.
O'brien doesn't want Winston to die as a martyr because then Winston will be seen as an example that there might be a possibility for rebellion. Having people thinking about rebellion would put the party in danger, and make the party not feel safe, which harms the party since they won't have control anymore. Instead, O'brien tortures him and brainwashes him into loving big brother. So that's why O'brien tortures him until Winston admits to loving big brother.
ReplyDeleteOne of the themes that developed by book three was that you can't trust everyone. This is a theme because Winston and Julia trust O'brien and confess everything, but O'brien is the one that tells about them since he's a party member. Another theme is that confession is betrayal. Confession is betrayal because Winston confesses everything, even though he was against confessing. He lost everything he stood for.
O'Brien is not necessarily wasting time with Winston. He has not killed him because I think that he sees something in Winston that could benefit the Party. Since so much of the population are considered proles, O'Brien may want Winston to work directly for the Partia. When Winston is being tortured, he feels comfortable. This makes me believe that O'Brien will not kill him. We have to keep in mind that Winston is definitely smarter than the average prole in Oceania. This also gives Winston a final chance for a rebellion. If he gets into the Party, it could be his biggest opportunity ever for this.
ReplyDeleteThe themes that Orwell has developed are the dangers of a totalitarianism government and phycological manipulation. To start have a totalitarianism government such as Oceania can endanger your life. Look at Winston. He disobeyed the rules and now can be facing the ultimate punishment, death. With a Party being this powerful and over controlling, it is very hard to put an end to it. It certainly will take a miracle for Winston if that is what he has in mind. Secondly, phycological manipulation, which follows the dangers of government. When everything you see and hear revolves around how good something is or how bad something is, you are going to believe it, unless you are Winston. This being what the Party does, it makes it just that much harder for anything to be done to change what they are doing. Both of these themes relate back to Winston. He has to view and understand both of these themes and realize that he has to work against it to stop the Party.
O’Brien tortures Winston because the Party does not want dissent to be sensed in one’s mind as they are about to be executed. The Party is not interested in obtaining a confession and killing them, nor scaring others from the rebellion, but that the protester regret completely and happily accept their death as a form of punishment for their thought crimes. In this world, the government believes there is no other truth outside of the Party’s principles. They want everyone to live their life and die loving Big Brother. With Winston, O’Brien is essentially “killing” him. The thing that defines Winston is his rebellion, and killing that kills Winston. They are executing him as an individual so that no hint of rebellion or intelligence is left of him. O’Brien is forcing Winston to forget his past and accept Big Brother because in the end, freedom no longer exist when the mind is no longer free.
ReplyDeleteThe themes that Orwell has further developed are collectivism and reality control. Winston keeps a private diary, engages in sexual relations, and insists that his way of life is the truth, opposed to what the Party desires him to adopt. O'Briens use of torture is to shatter Winston's ability to think unorthodox thoughts. For Winston to die hating the Party, he sees this as freedom. But that is not what the Party wants, they want their citizens to love Big Brother and adopt the collective identity. The second theme is reality control. The Party manages to maintain control of the people through surveillance, propaganda, and terror. They use telescreens to remind citizens that they are constantly being observed and that they live in fear of possibly being betrayed by someone and turned in to the Thought Police. By destroying historical documents and evidence this contradicts what the Party want the people to believe. O'Briens torture forces Winston to see what they want him to believe rather than seeing what is real. When O'Brien hold up four fingers and ask Winston what he see, Winston lies and says that he see five. With O'Brien's torture Winston is able to look at reality and truly believe he is see something other than what is real. O'Brien is "training" him to see and think as the Party want him to.
O'Brien tortured Winston because he wanted Winston to believe what the Party believes before he dies. They can't have someone a member of the Party having his own thoughts. That's why hr did the thing with his fingers. He clearly held up 4 fingers but made Winston say 5.
ReplyDeleteOne theme he has developed throughout the book is how people easily can go against their beliefs when the circumstances to go toward their favor. Like how Winston gave up some of his when he got tortured by O'Brien. Also another theme is how quickly people could backstab you. Winston thought O'Brien was with him but he really wasn't.
O'Brien tells Winston that he has a disease where his memory is inaccurate and that O'Brien is there to cure him. This is why O'Brien is torturing him but not killing him. Torturing Winston will make him convert to a Party follower eventually, and Winston is aware of this. Doing this to Winston gives the Party more satisfaction than killing him. Converting Winston and every other person like him, is a way the Party knows they accomplished what they set out to do - have total control over all of Oceania. Killing Winston's humanity and sanity will be the death of him. The Party's goal is to convert everyone to love Big Brother before they die.
ReplyDeleteContinuing themes evolving in Book 3 include the topics of identity/individuality and loyalty. The Party's actions against Winston and their reluctance to give up on converting everyone prove this. Their focus is to convert everyone to praise the Party and die loving Big Brother. They are destroying the population's individual identity through the brainwashing and torturing in the Ministry of Love. Party members are reluctant to give up on converting everyone which shows their loyalty to the Party. The Party is fueled by loyalty, and thus demands that its citizens support any and all actions it takes in pursuing a greater Oceania. For the Party, loyalty means accepting without question or hesitation.
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ReplyDeleteO'Brien tortures Winston instead of killing him because he wants to torture Winston and watch him go through pain for going against the Party. He doesn't wanna kill him right away, because he wants to see him in pain. Winston starts to like O'brien, because he stops the pain and he convinces Winston this isn't a source of pain. O'Brien begins to tell Winston about about the party's system and he begins to understand.
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The themes developed in book three are about how they manipulated words and had falsification of past events. The Party never told the full truth, they always bent it in some way or twisted it. When they would speak about past events they would lie about it or twist the truth. The people of Oceania never knew about the whole truth about the party.
1. O'Brien wants to make Winston a loyal party member and brain wash him to change his rebellious ways. O’Brien overlooks Winston’s prolonged torture sessions. O’Brien tells Winston that the crime he committed was refusing to accept the Party’s control of history and his memories. O'Brien increased the amount of pain so that, Winston agrees to things he wants him too. O'Brien held up four fingers and made winston agree that he was holding up five. This shows that O'Brien is making Winston go against the party in the biggest way. In the whole book Winston realized that the government changed history and information for the people to believe. O’Brien tells Winston that Winston’s current outlook is insane, but that torture will cure him.
ReplyDelete2. One theme Orwell further developed in the first two parts of Book Three is that trust is hard to come by. Throughout the novel Winston comes very close and open with Julia. They start to have feelings and emotions for each other. They give each other their plans and what they're going to do the government. This is personal and should be trustful information. He opened up a lot of his feelings to O'Brien. He thought O'Brien could be trusted but really he works for the party. Winston trusted O'Brien and it turns out he is the one that is torturing Winston. O'Brien is making Winston forget about all his uncommon feelings and emotions. O'Brien turned on Winston, therefore this shows trust is hard to come by. Orwell furthers this theme throughout the book by showing O'Brien turning on Winston and the lack of trust. The second theme Orwell is further developing in this book is that pain of the body will overtake the mind. A good example of this is when O'Brien is torturing Winston, Winston gives up everything that he has been working on to rebel against the government. Winston is being pushed physically and that overrides his mind to give up his beliefs.
1. O'brien tortures Winston because he needs to be sure that Winston is clean. He wants to cleanse any thoughts of rebellion out of Winston and create loyalty out of pain. The party tortures people to break them down and show the party's power. Winston isn't dead yet because the party has to alter his thoughts first. The party seeks power and they do this by have control over individuals and the mass.
ReplyDelete2. Orwell has developed the theme that physical pain can destroy even the strongest mental rebellion. O'Brien breaks winstons will to rebel. Without this will Winston breaks and succumbs to the party.
The second theme developing is that putting faith in one person too quickly can be devastating. Winston met O'brien and immediately trusted him. He didn't get to know him at a personal level before throwing complete trust at him. This is what screwed Winston over because O'brien had been playing hin from the start.
O'brien tortures Winston instead of just killing him because he wants to get proof of sabotage and other felonies against the party. This is the only reason why he keeps him alive at the moment. But O'brien continues to torture him even if he confesses.
ReplyDeleteOrwell continues to further the theme of not telling the truth and deleting the truth. The truth is still hidden if even known by anyone. And any possible truth that is still around is slowly being deleted and removed from society.
1) O'Brien needs Winston's strong and clever mind so he can't kill him. If he brainwashes him enough then he could potentially turn him into a strong party member. The only downfall to O'Briens plan is that Winston is very headstrong on rebelling.
ReplyDelete2) Never trust anyone is an obvious theme in the novel. Winston is unable to trust O'Brien or anyone around him. Children can't even be trusted because they are willing to turn you into the thought police without a second thought.
O'Brien is wasting his time with tortureing Winston due to the fact that WInston considers himself a dead man. But also he does not believe in the Party's views, so even though they are trying to change his thought via torture, he will eventually change his mind back to the free thought that he had before he was caught. Except next time he will be smarter, because he will be able to comprehend all the party is doing, along with what the outside world is actually doing. This is due to the fact that Winston is determined, but his mind is naturally curious. And as long as it is possible to be a thought criminal, he will eventually return to that, and the cycle will repeat.
ReplyDeleteA theme that Orwell has chosen to develop in the first two parts of book three are that ideas are more powerful than actions. Ideas influence action. But ideas are spread by books, and spoken words, and used to influence uprisings, and political and religious movements. This theme is expressed not only in those parts, but in the book itself. Orwell is using the book as a ploy to spread his idea what the world will be like. In reality Orwell wants someone to see this book, and use it to stop what he thinks will come. Along with that, he doesn't look to kill people with different views, but convert them. Just as O'Brien is doing in the book, the only difference is, that O'Brien uses force, Orwell does not.
O'Brien is spending all this time on Winston because he does not want Winston to die thinking all those bad thoughts about the government. If the Party or O'Brien were to kill Winston while thinking these bad thoughts about the Party it would be considered defeat to the Party because the Party wants the comrades to always be thinking happy thoughts about them. They are trying to switch his mind over to be like everybody else's so the Party can say that they are capable of controlling his mind and his body. Themes for the first couple parts are physical control and psychological manipulation. Examples for physical control are when Winston is locked up in jail and the Party can control how Winston looks and the complexion of Winston's body. For psychological manipulation they torture Winston and try to get him to think good thoughts and to try and make him a Party member. They are torturing him until he basically gives up and think what they want him to think.
ReplyDeleteO’Brien does not want to kill Winston. In Book Three O’Brien could of put Winston out of misery but he wants to manipulate Winston’s mind first. O’Brien wants to prove that the Party can control anybody’s mind, even one who has had as complex thoughts as Winston. Even after two books that Winston has formed his ideals the Party wants to break them down completely. O’Brien will twist his mind so that we will become part of society and see that the Party truly controls everything. There is no reason that two plus two should equal five but it is the principal that is important to O’Brien.
ReplyDeleteThe main theme that Orwell has further developed in the first two parts is the concept that physical pain can be instrumental to mental manipulation. Winston can only think of physical pain at every moment in book three. When O’Brien is trying to convince Winston two plus two equals five, he uses physical pain until Winston breaks and truly believes that everything he knows is a lie.
The Party's goal has never been to kill, it has always been to have absolute power. To kill Winston would be to acknowledge his power (we can't get you to believe what we need you to believe therefore we are going to resort to killing you). Instead, by reeducating him, they will express their dominance. On less deep level, Orwell uses this part of the book more plainly to express his views on society. He bashes Communism and National Socialism upfront, and almost "speaks" through O'brien.
ReplyDeleteTheme in Book Three: Nothing is more powerful than education. This is the goal of the party when it comes to Winston; to re-educate him and make him believe something that he didn't believe before. It was also what the party was most afraid of: an educated populous. The party devotes an extreme amount of time into making the populous think a certain way because it cannot function if they believe something else.
The party has been outsmarted by Winston. I believe there are a few reasons for not just killing him. The first reason is that Winston became a huge threat to the system and society. For this to happen right under their noses they will make sure they can get all the information they can. The party understands how important knowledge and information is. This is to valuable to them to kill off. The party heavily relies on this to prevent things from happening in society like Winston has done. We saw this from the beginning of the book, how important the control of knowledge and know how to do so is the main focus of this government. The second reason for not killing him is they need a reason for his death. They could easily make something up and conceal it but maybe they are planning something to show to the people. The government is corrupted and cruel so I could see them doing experimental stuff with Winston to help improve control of society in the future. Orwell showed us the importance of numbers and faith. One can not challenge something like this alone. Winston did not have the support he needed to be successful. Through history in the world its shown how in order to make a change you need to have support. You gain support through rhetoric and persuasion and through corrupt experiences. In order to make a change in society one can not stand alone.
ReplyDelete1. From the beginning of their meeting Winston and O'Brien saw each other in themselves. O'Brien sees a fire in Winston where he believes Winston can get done what he puts his mind to. Him "torturing" Winston is a test if he is worthy of joining the Brotherhood. O'Brien believes if Winston makes it he can greatly help the Brotherhood.
ReplyDelete2. The one thought that comes to mind is manipulation. This however has occured throughout the whole novel but especially focused on in this section. O'Brien is manipulating Winston to have Winston's character show through. He believes with this constant pressure he will receive a great outcome. The second theme that occurs is totalitarianism. This concept shows how everyone in this novel wants complete control. Many of the character in this novel are stubborn and believe the way they want to do things is the best. This all comes from wanting complete control and power which is a reoccuring factor throughout this novel.
1. From the beginning of their meeting Winston and O'Brien saw each other in themselves. O'Brien sees a fire in Winston where he believes Winston can get done what he puts his mind to. Him "torturing" Winston is a test if he is worthy of joining the Brotherhood. O'Brien believes if Winston makes it he can greatly help the Brotherhood.
ReplyDelete2. The one thought that comes to mind is manipulation. This however has occured throughout the whole novel but especially focused on in this section. O'Brien is manipulating Winston to have Winston's character show through. He believes with this constant pressure he will receive a great outcome. The second theme that occurs is totalitarianism. This concept shows how everyone in this novel wants complete control. Many of the character in this novel are stubborn and believe the way they want to do things is the best. This all comes from wanting complete control and power which is a reoccuring factor throughout this novel.
O'Brien is trying to "save" Winston from his crimes. If Winston would just accept the Party's rule and way of life, then he would be "perfect" and "clean". But truly it is not actually Winston that O'Brien and the Party want to change. Their goal ultimately is to purify all minds because there is a strong fear that any single resisting thought has the power to potentially corrupt the Party.
ReplyDeletePhysical control can manipulate the human mind.
-The Party has found a way to brainwash the thoughts of its victims with physical torture, O'Brian is able to control reality (or at least the party's version of it) and convince
Winston that 2 + 2 = 5 and Oceania is and always has been at war with Eastasia.
The intense control of history.
-Through controlling the present, as O'Brian explained, the Party is able to manipulate all of history, and by controlling the past the Party can therefore control its subjects and also justify all of its actions in the present.
I think O'Brien is trying to squeeze every rebellious though out of Winston for future purposes. Killing him would do no good. If someone else like Winston came in, O'Brien could use everything he learned from Winston's case, against future rebels. This also makes Winston crack into becoming a solid mold of the "ideal" citizen.
ReplyDeleteOne theme that has risen is that with uses of one's weakness, that person inflicting the torture can control anybody until they have complete control. With O'Brien using Winston's fear of rats to turn against his rebellious ideas and Julia, he has complete control over Winston. It continued to Winston cracking and become the Party-loving citizen that O'Brien was hoping for. Another is how the use of language can be mind control. O'Brien and the Party uses doublethink to control its citizens, and with Winston even thinking about doublethink, he has already submitted himself to the Party. It is something that the Party has created to have complete control over their citizens. Otherwise, the citizens would have the freedom of thought.
O'Brien just wants to get inside winstons mind and torture him. O'Brien must have a reason for keeping him alive. Or O'Brien finds pleasure in manipulation Winstons mind into thinking things that are not true and twisted. Which also ties into a major theme in Book 3, Psychological manipulation.
ReplyDeleteThe party finds a way to torture Winston into thinking whatever the party says is true. The whole ideology of the party is based on manipulating people's minds so they can control their bodies to do whatever the party wants and they are successful in their works.